Chinese fakes 'used in US planes'

bleedlikeme · 05-21-12 at 10:53 PM

A year-long probe found 1,800 cases of fake parts in US military aircraft, the Senate Armed Services Committee found.

More than 70% of an estimated one million suspect parts were traced back to China, the report said.

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http://armed-services.senate.gov/Publications/Counterfeit%20Electronic%20Parts.pdf

It blamed weaknesses in the US supply chain, and China's failure to curb the counterfeit market.

The failure of a key part could pose safety and national security risks and lead to higher costs for the Pentagon, the committee said.

US servicemen rely on a variety of "small, incredibly sophisticated electronic components" found in night vision systems, radios and GPS devices and the failure of a single part could put a soldier at risk, the report said.

It highlighted suspect counterfeit parts in SH-60B helicopters used by the Navy, in C-130J and C-27J cargo planes and in the Navy's P-8A Poseidon plane.

After China, the UK and Canada were found to be the next-largest source countries for fake parts.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18155293

**Nomoon** · 05-21-12 at 11:44 PM

Quote:

It blamed weaknesses in the US supply chain

Is this the polite way to talk about people who take bribes to look the other way when the deals are made?

**robbo0000** · 05-21-12 at 11:47 PM

Stop buying from China , everything coming from there seems to be fake

**Noledox** · 05-22-12 at 12:16 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by robbo0000

Stop buying from China , everything coming from there seems to be fake

The problem is that most of the non-fake stuff comes from there too. Can't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

**mirrow** · 05-22-12 at 12:35 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Noledox

The problem is that most of the non-fake stuff comes from there too. Can't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

I second that.

Nunki · 05-22-12 at 01:21 AM

i don´t care where it comes from, as long as it is quality.
Sadly a lot is not -.-

**Spacebunny** · 05-22-12 at 03:06 AM

Chinese fakes.. but somehow the did passed the testing fase?
Then the testing process is wrong..

I agree with:
@The problem is that most of the non-fake stuff comes from there too.

The company's get the orders to make the plane/helicopters
off-course the seek to make them as cheap as possible..
buying a few fake chips/pcb to save cost.. or to keep the deadline
The US military should have tested there hardware before accepting the product from the maker...
Or better US military should make there own plant for making parts..

**Nomoon** · 05-22-12 at 04:08 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by robbo0000

Stop buying from China , everything coming from there seems to be fake

Yep... bought some fortune cookies... the first message I had was something like "you luck will very be today" (roughly translated from what was supposed to be written in french

)...
Next: the rubber-made nem and the recycled-plactic-made quasi tofu

**tomandsusan** · 05-22-12 at 04:41 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Nomoon

Is this the polite way to talk about people who take bribes to look the other way when the deals are made?

I agree! The suppliers KNOW where the parts are coming from----I wonder if they give the discounted price for the parts?

mysticusa · 05-22-12 at 04:55 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Nunki

i don´t care where it comes from, as long as it is quality.
Sadly a lot is not -.-

Problem of making things too cheap to maximize profit is abused too much to a level that it can terrorize a country in many levels, which people are failing to see to due to extreme selfishness and greed!

How?

1) Outsource Labor & Production: You loose great deal of mid-class people in the mid and long term when you over-do your outsourcing, 2) loose great deal of tax, 3) people get poor, 4) very few people will be left to pay bills, 5) economy collapses due to little people left to turn gears = great gap between poor and rich 6) Mass layoffs/company closures or move out of business 7) Civil unrest lead to w..?? 8) Apart from a few rich who have left long ago along with their off-shore accounts filled, everyone looses...

Ask yourself, is this already not happening? People should start caring where things are coming from, a little nationalism should be still left before it is late!

else, god helps us all, bigger chaos will follow... History repeats itself...

bogus109695 · 05-22-12 at 10:00 AM

CHEAP
FAST
QUALITY.
You can have any of the above 2 at the cost of the third.
:)

**Omega_Prime** · 05-22-12 at 12:42 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by robbo0000

Stop buying from China , everything coming from there seems to be fake

AHAHAHAHA. Seriously? I think you should read everything you own because 70% of them will be "Made in China" and if it ain't 'made' in china most of the parts will be then simply 'assembled' in a particular country

**clenchdwarf** · 05-22-12 at 01:21 PM

Maybe suppliers ran into parts shortages and bought from brokers rather than through normal channels. Or the parts had been discontinued and were no longer available through normal channels. (Redesigning a circuit board to use a different part would mean a lengthy and expensive set of tests to prove that the system still meets specifications.) There was a part I normally bought direct from Analog Devices (or through major distributors like Digikey or Newark), but lead times were too long, so I resorted to buying through USBid. The chips they supplied (which came from China) were fakes: a different part which mostly worked the same, but lacked some crucial extra features. Closer examination revealed that the chips had been desoldered, pins straightened, tops ground off, and re-marked. Fortunately, a significant number were DOA (which had never happened before), so I tested them more carefully and confirmed they were fake. To give USBid some credit, they did warn me that the chips were in different package styles, yet were marked with the same batch number, which was suspicious.

I'm surprised that the US has allowed so much critical technology to move off-shore. If China feels like invading Taiwan or some other disputed territory, they've got the world over a barrel.

**Gandolph13** · 05-22-12 at 04:37 PM

I remember watching an episode of "Air crash investigators" where the cause of a downed passenger jet was the recycled and reproduced parts fitted. Apparently, the FAA (federal aviation authority) put laws and random inspections in place to prevent this from happening again.
It seems perhaps someone high up in either the government or military were taking huge kickbacks to get the parts reproduced, thus saving millions of dollars on genuine parts and making them wealthy in the process.
Not that anyone would actually believe a military or government official would stoop to such behaviour to become wealthy / wealthier.

05-22-12 at 01:21 PM	#13
clenchdwarf Expert Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 820	Maybe suppliers ran into parts shortages and bought from brokers rather than through normal channels. Or the parts had been discontinued and were no longer available through normal channels. (Redesigning a circuit board to use a different part would mean a lengthy and expensive set of tests to prove that the system still meets specifications.) There was a part I normally bought direct from Analog Devices (or through major distributors like Digikey or Newark), but lead times were too long, so I resorted to buying through USBid. The chips they supplied (which came from China) were fakes: a different part which mostly worked the same, but lacked some crucial extra features. Closer examination revealed that the chips had been desoldered, pins straightened, tops ground off, and re-marked. Fortunately, a significant number were DOA (which had never happened before), so I tested them more carefully and confirmed they were fake. To give USBid some credit, they did warn me that the chips were in different package styles, yet were marked with the same batch number, which was suspicious. I'm surprised that the US has allowed so much critical technology to move off-shore. If China feels like invading Taiwan or some other disputed territory, they've got the world over a barrel. Last edited by clenchdwarf; 05-22-12 at 01:27 PM.

05-21-12 at 11:44 PM	#2
Nomoon Expert Join Date: May 2011 Location: Far from everything Posts: 964	Quote: It blamed weaknesses in the US supply chain Is this the polite way to talk about people who take bribes to look the other way when the deals are made?

05-21-12 at 11:47 PM	#3
robbo0000 ¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> Join Date: May 2009 Location: Sydney Posts: 3,434	Stop buying from China , everything coming from there seems to be fake

05-22-12 at 12:16 AM	#4
Noledox Bad command or file name Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Terra Incognita Posts: 2,709	Quote: Originally Posted by robbo0000 Stop buying from China , everything coming from there seems to be fake The problem is that most of the non-fake stuff comes from there too. Can't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

05-22-12 at 12:35 AM	#5
mirrow Master Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Delft, Holland Posts: 1,134	Quote: Originally Posted by Noledox The problem is that most of the non-fake stuff comes from there too. Can't throw out the baby with the bathwater. I second that.

05-22-12 at 01:21 AM	#6
Nunki Novice Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Terra Posts: 173	i don´t care where it comes from, as long as it is quality. Sadly a lot is not -.-

05-22-12 at 03:06 AM	#7
Spacebunny Novice Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 236	Chinese fakes.. but somehow the did passed the testing fase? Then the testing process is wrong.. I agree with: @The problem is that most of the non-fake stuff comes from there too. The company's get the orders to make the plane/helicopters off-course the seek to make them as cheap as possible.. buying a few fake chips/pcb to save cost.. or to keep the deadline The US military should have tested there hardware before accepting the product from the maker... Or better US military should make there own plant for making parts..

05-22-12 at 04:08 AM	#8
Nomoon Expert Join Date: May 2011 Location: Far from everything Posts: 964	Quote: Originally Posted by robbo0000 Stop buying from China , everything coming from there seems to be fake Yep... bought some fortune cookies... the first message I had was something like "you luck will very be today" (roughly translated from what was supposed to be written in french )... Next: the rubber-made nem and the recycled-plactic-made quasi tofu

05-22-12 at 04:41 AM	#9
tomandsusan Guru Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Never Never Land Posts: 5,750	Quote: Originally Posted by Nomoon Is this the polite way to talk about people who take bribes to look the other way when the deals are made? I agree! The suppliers KNOW where the parts are coming from----I wonder if they give the discounted price for the parts?

05-22-12 at 04:55 AM	#10
mysticusa Newcomer Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 20	Quote: Originally Posted by Nunki i don´t care where it comes from, as long as it is quality. Sadly a lot is not -.- Problem of making things too cheap to maximize profit is abused too much to a level that it can terrorize a country in many levels, which people are failing to see to due to extreme selfishness and greed! How? 1) Outsource Labor & Production: You loose great deal of mid-class people in the mid and long term when you over-do your outsourcing, 2) loose great deal of tax, 3) people get poor, 4) very few people will be left to pay bills, 5) economy collapses due to little people left to turn gears = great gap between poor and rich 6) Mass layoffs/company closures or move out of business 7) Civil unrest lead to w..?? 8) Apart from a few rich who have left long ago along with their off-shore accounts filled, everyone looses... Ask yourself, is this already not happening? People should start caring where things are coming from, a little nationalism should be still left before it is late! else, god helps us all, bigger chaos will follow... History repeats itself...

05-22-12 at 10:00 AM	#11
bogus109695 Apprentice Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 262	CHEAP FAST QUALITY. You can have any of the above 2 at the cost of the third. :)

05-22-12 at 12:42 PM	#12
Omega_Prime Autobot Supreme Commander Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,569	Quote: Originally Posted by robbo0000 Stop buying from China , everything coming from there seems to be fake AHAHAHAHA. Seriously? I think you should read everything you own because 70% of them will be "Made in China" and if it ain't 'made' in china most of the parts will be then simply 'assembled' in a particular country

05-22-12 at 04:37 PM	#14
Gandolph13 Legendary Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Australia (GMT+10) Posts: 12,362	I remember watching an episode of "Air crash investigators" where the cause of a downed passenger jet was the recycled and reproduced parts fitted. Apparently, the FAA (federal aviation authority) put laws and random inspections in place to prevent this from happening again. It seems perhaps someone high up in either the government or military were taking huge kickbacks to get the parts reproduced, thus saving millions of dollars on genuine parts and making them wealthy in the process. Not that anyone would actually believe a military or government official would stoop to such behaviour to become wealthy / wealthier.