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Old 07-27-12 at 08:52 AM   #1
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World Dammed Tibet - Extracting Wealth and Power from the World’s Biggest Water Tank

Did China conquer the Himalayan theocracy to “liberate the peasants”? No. Was it lust for Tibet’s agricultural land? No, only 0.3% is arable. Minerals? Getting closer. What’s critically valuable on the “roof of the world”? Three syllables: H20


ibet has more freshwater - aka “blue gold” - than any place on the planet, except the North and South Poles. Averaging 11,000 feet in altitude, Tibet contains 1,000 lakes and an enormous freezer of snow in the sky-scraping Himalayas. Melted, it’s the wellspring for seven monstrous rivers: the Yangtze, the Yellow, the Indus, the Mekong, the Ganges, the Brahmaputra, and the Salween.

Rivers are the critical life-blood of humanity, essential for hydration, irrigation, and industry. Possession of Tibet gives China a stranglehold on the arteries of South Asia, where nearly 2 billion people reside in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, Laos, and Burma.

Mega-dams are easily built by China - they constructed the world’s largest at Three Rivers Gorge. They’ve erected a staggering 28,500 large dams, and 80,000 total, the most in the world. Hydropower is the initial intent of Chinese dams in the Himalayas (90% of rural Tibet will have electricity by 2015), but water diversion is tempting for the thirsty population of 1.3 billon. Although China has 20% of the world’s population, it’s only got 7% of the fresh water supply.

Thirteen provinces of China have suffered drought since 2010 and vast regions are habitually parched, like the sprawling Xinjiang in the northwest. Could pipelines from Tibet lead to faucets in distant reaches of the Middle Kingdom? Li Ling, author of Tibet’s Water Will Save China, believes it is essential for China’s future.

Michael Buckley - producer of the “Meltdown in Tibet” documentary - notes that, “60% of Chinese leadership… have an engineering background and many have vested interests in damming companies.” What are their intentions? India Today reports that “the dragons” are “gung-ho on [the] $62 billion South-North Water Transfer Project. It aims to divert 44.8 billion cubic meter water per year from southern China to the Yellow River basin in arid northern China.” Several different water-diversion projects are under discussion.



Below is a brief report on five major “international rivers” that have headwaters in Tibet:


Indus River In 2009, British journalist Alice Albina - author of Empires of the Indus - discovered that China was secretly building a huge dam on an Indus tributary, at Senge-Ali, in Western Tibet. This caused only a tiny flap in the extremely tight relationship between the two nations. Two years later, China’s Three Gorges Project Corporation proposed a $15 billion plan to Pakistan, on Pakistani soil, that would block the Indus River at numerous points. The dams would control the devastating floods that regularly wash through Pakistan, and they’d provide much-needed hydroelectricity, enabling Pakistan to develop its gas, oil, and coal resources. The generosity of the Chinese offer typifies the alliance - China is Pakistan’s biggest arms supplier, third-largest trad*ing partner, it supported Pakistan’s war against India in 1965, and it assists Pakistan’s civilian nuclear program. All this frustrates and alarms India, of course. Will the dams on the Indus give China leverage over Pakistan, if their coziness ever sours? 92% of Pakistan is is dependent on the Indus River system, with 50% of its population employed in agriculture.




Mekong River The Mekong is the longest river in SE Asia, winding 4,880 kilometers to the South China Sea. China is building eight dams here - the first, at Manwan, was constructed without consulting neighbors downstream. 60 million people depend on the river for food; particularly at risk are fish stocks in Cambodia’s huge Tonle Sap lake, and the rice bowl of Vietnam’s Mekong Delta. China’s fourth Mekong dam, at Xiaowan, is the world’s tallest at 292 meters. The Mekong is also the second-most bio-diverse river on the planet, trailing only the Amazon. 781 species of freshwater fish paddle here, including a giant catfish that can grow to be as long as a car.


Ganges River - Tibet provides major tributaries for the Ganges, the world’s most densely populated riverine area. Revered as “Mother Ganges” in India, it is even more important to Bangladesh, where it enters the Bay of Bengal in the world’s largest delta. Two-thirds of all Bangladeshis farm and fish here on the fertile floodplains. Presently, there are only two dams on the Ganges, both in India. Any construction by China that sabotaged the flow of this holy-but-horribly-polluted river would be greeted with Hindu wrath.


Salween River - This 2,815 kilometers long river flows through China, Burma and Thailand into the Andaman Sea. Called the Nu (“Angry River”) in Mandarin, this swift, beautiful watercourse traverses a “Grand Canyon of the Orient” that is 4,500 meters deep. A United Nations assessment described its region as ‘maybe the most biologically diverse temperate eco-system in the world’ with 80 endangered species, including snow leopards and snub-nosed monkeys. When China announced 13 dams would be constructed on the Salween, vigorous campaigning by Chinese activists resulted, amazing because opposition to Beijing often ends in jail sentences. China is also helping its ally Burma build dams in its northern regions; these constructions are vilified because they threaten ethnic tribes like the Shan and Karenni. salweenwatch.org



Brahmaputra River - Last but most important is the Brahmaputra, named after the Hindu god of creation. China - after vigorous denials for a more than a decade - intends to build 28 dams on the Brahmaputra, to the consternation of India and Bangladesh. Chinese designs include the utilization of “peaceful nuclear explosions” and constructing a station with 2X the hydro-power of Three Gorges Dam. One proposal aims to transport Brahmanputra water from Shuomatan, Tibet, to the city of Tianjin on China’s northeast coast via a “Shuotian Canal.” Boosters believe this would solve China’s demand for more water, electricity, grain and oil, and alleviate pollution. But… would it impact downstream flow to India, which relies on the river for 30% of its freshwater? China offers assurances, but Indian concern is illustrated in the video below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhx6NxKe8RE&feature=player_embedded

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Old 07-27-12 at 10:27 AM   #2
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Nobody like China, but they can't or won't do jack sh*t about it, lol

Just of posturing.
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Old 07-27-12 at 12:09 PM   #3
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Since China's rapid economic growth, their territory & resource grab lust has exploded... like a spoiled kid that wants more. If there was a scale for superpowers with poor relations with their bordering neighbours, China would easily stick above anyone else.

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Old 07-27-12 at 12:11 PM   #4
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China is just doing what other prominent countries have been doing over generations; impose their will and take Sh*t over. Sadly unless people are informed and encouraged to take action either by social media or other means then this will continue to happen. The only positive in this situation is the age of social media/internet. No government entity likes full disclosure/transparency regardless if they say it's in order to protect national security or who their bedding with in order to bring to fruition clandestine agendas. I know everyone says there's little that can be done but these are prime examples of what is being done such as the Occupy movement, austerity social unrest throughout Europe, Arab Spring, etc. Whether you consider them a success or not; that's up for debate. Regardless of how you view them in the context or being successful, you can't avoid nor negate the fact they are bringing media attention along with coverage and thus bringing up the issues to the eyes of the public (consumer). Regardless of the way most of the media manipulates stories, people are seeing it through their own eyes. If they decide to ignore or feel compelled to join that is their free will.
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Old 07-27-12 at 04:13 PM   #5
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Last but most important is the Brahmaputra
Isn't that some sort of sex manual??

The US of A needs to go in and stop this!
Bring democracy to the Chinese I say!


Dams, while often a necessity of life, should not be constructed without first consulting ALL neighbours in the vicinity of the rivers. If they rely on the river and surrounding ecosystem for their most basic needs of food and water, the construction should not be allowed without major reviews of potential hazards involved in such blocking of the flow.

Hell, we can't even get a decent road to the town I live in because some bloody species of frog was found where they were going to do the construction. The project got scrapped after millions of dollars was spent on feasibility studies. Some university trained moron thought he heard a frog thought to be extinct.

That's right, the frog was never actually sighted!

And that was enough to stop all planned upgrades, till the next multi million dollar feasibility study awarded to some relation of someone in government that is
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Old 07-27-12 at 04:15 PM   #6
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Isn't that some sort of sex manual??
That will be Kamasutra! :P

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Old 07-27-12 at 05:11 PM   #7
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There's nothing good about China grabbing Tibet & utilizing its resources. It can't be justified to trample on residents for the sake of resource management. Not to mention just giving a big f-u to India aswell. Just study China's behaviour in Tibet, the Yellow Sea, the Russia-China border, and it's surrounding countries such as Vietnam, Taiwan, Japan, India and so on. The country is just one big middle finger to whoever (near China) stands in their way of more wealth 'belonging' to China, or whatever land China thinks that once belonged to them at any point in history, and should be 'liberated' and be part of their country once more.
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I agree L1b, no other nation would ever do that!.....
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Old 07-27-12 at 05:16 PM   #9
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I agree L1b, no other nation would ever do that!.....
Now I didn't say that! :P

Just my pet peeve that whenever something similar is done by the US (or any other country in the west) than people scream bloody murder. But when it's China, than people generally lift their shoulders and look the other way.

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Old 07-27-12 at 05:22 PM   #10
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Yea I agree that its not ok to act badly like that, but I also think that hydro power is a good thing! (afaik)

Its probably better that they created hydro power plants rather than coal burning power plants.

as for those things you said, ill look into to them.
Well, you ask those Indians how wonderful a Chinese dam is for their Ganges. And regarding Chinese dams, and the well being of the environment, the Three Gorges Dam turned out as an environmental disaster. So it's doubtful that this will be any differentl, knowing their reputation.

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Old 07-27-12 at 05:32 PM   #11
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first of all is that USAins speak English and Chinese speak Chinese.
Actually, I think many languages are spoken in China.

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The statistics of languages in China are as follow:

5 Major Language Families:

Sino-Tibetan Family - 76 languages
Altaic-Turkic Family - 21 languages
Austronesian Family - 16 languages
South Asian Family (Indo-Iranian) - 9 languages
Indo-European Family - 1 language
Mixed Language Family - 5 languages
Others - 1 language (Korean)
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Old 07-28-12 at 02:46 PM   #12
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^True!
Unfortunately for me I don't understand any of them
I did give learning mandarin a shot though! and tbh Id still love to learn, but? Languages take a lot of effort.. and? um? dam.. nothing.




Well here's a video about the Three Gorges Dam. Time to see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z9K82ZVdMA
Edit: watching the start of this video, one thing already strikes me and that is that the dam apparently flooded peoples homes when it was built. Because a dam stops water, the water collects and rises higher and higher, consequentially flooding people out of their homes. Yea that's messed up. Blatant.

O woops... i totally took that comment the wrong way lol.... It isn't as if they let the villages stay in their homes and let them get flooded while still there! i think



Another comment made by a Chinese woman. "the water flows slowly because of the dam and therefore doesn't carry the rubbish away'". What kind of evil attitude is that? You cant let the rubbish just float away, it has to be recycled.

final comment on the vid..... The video didn't show any significant problems at all! other than the peoples homes who could be in danger, but I think they're gonna get help anyway. + the dam created land slides... not earthquakes.
I heard long time ago that several historic sites located within the Three Gorges Dam project area were going to be sunk. Settlements can be rebuild, but not historical sites where authenticity is very important. If you care about history or culture, this is a loss.
I think the current communist govt care less for such things. They care more about developing their country into a superpower.

Talk about democracy, sadly Chinese people are new to the idea of democracy. Thousands of years of their history, most of the times they have been ruled by one or some in power, many tyrants, with almost no chance of common people gain power.
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Old 07-28-12 at 04:19 PM   #13
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Which Pollutes the earth the most?? I mean the least? Which is more pro-active in Improving them selves? *Cough* Hydro power*
The introduction of a few hydro power stations does not green make you.
If you look into major world polluters, China is right up the top.

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China has now overtaken the United States as the world’s biggest polluter; its carbon emissions have more than doubled in a decade.

India, now the fourth biggest polluter, is also rapidly increasing its emissions, and is increasing its population of 1.15 billion people far faster than any other country; soon its human numbers will be on a par with China’s and its emissions following suit.
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Old 07-28-12 at 04:46 PM   #14
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As for Historical sights? I don't know man, iv seen some historical sites, and they were basically old buildings and bunkers... Heck, I think the builing Im living in now is 70 years or so old, and some of my family live in 100 year old buildings... nothing special about them! They're old and ugly.. Besides, who says you can't write history again in an equally positive light as before when w/e those historical sights you were talking about were created.
Buildings of high historical value are not so because of merely their age. Architecture, the usage/function, decoration, location, and many other cultural elements of them and that they may tell us people of today about the past, the history, the peope who have constructed them, (have/had) been using them, those are what make up the value.

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