Euro 2012 - Stadiums Of Hate

**rockyrocks** · 05-30-12 at 04:43 PM

With just days to go before the kick-off of the Euro 2012 championships, Panorama reveals shocking new evidence of racist violence and anti-semitism at the heart of Polish and Ukrainian football and asks whether tournament organiser UEFA should have chosen both nations to host the prestigious event.

Reporter Chris Rogers witnesses a group of Asian fans being attacked on the terraces of a Ukrainian premier league match and hears anti-Semitic chanting at games in Poland. And with exclusive access to a far right group in Ukraine which recruits and trains football hooligans to attack foreigners, Panorama asks: how safe will travelling football teams and their supporters be at this summer's European festival of football?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z93iQgI3_Iw

Makes me cringe.. but I do hope that there is some sort of racist show by the hooligans.. which affect the matches.. would at-least put the issues in spotlight.. and maybe the authorities address them..
This is not the first time I have heard about the extreme right wings as football hooligans..It has been a regular feature I guess.

On another note is anybody going to any of the games??

**cazmajor** · 05-30-12 at 06:45 PM

Damn... that was a depressing video.

**Omega_Prime** · 05-30-12 at 07:40 PM

Quite ironic with Poland... you would think that country above all others will know what it is like to be victimised on something they can't control.

**tehhunter** · 05-30-12 at 10:46 PM

i enjoy and love football but these shouldn't be allow by the fifa to celebrate an even these important on these two nations

Adanaliyik · 05-31-12 at 01:25 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Omega_Prime

Quite ironic with Poland... you would think that country above all others will know what it is like to be victimised on something they can't control.

That's not ironic, it's more like inevitable. Any country or large group of people that has been repeatedly victimized doesn't just move on when the victimization stops. Instead, now that they have freedom of action, they need to rid themselves of their built up hatred by getting revenge on those who victimized them. And if they aren't available, they unfortunately turn that hatred on each other...

:(

xx55tt · 05-31-12 at 01:56 AM

Well this was well known before. You should watch Football Hooligans International, it was on Discovery.

@2:30 - perfect geography (Austria, Czech)
Did you read the comments? Did you check the like-dislike ratio? I'd rather not quote anything from there.

**rockyrocks** · 05-31-12 at 04:26 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Omega_Prime

Quite ironic with Poland... you would think that country above all others will know what it is like to be victimised on something they can't control.

Quote: Originally Posted by Adanaliyik

That's not ironic, it's more like inevitable. Any country or large group of people that has been repeatedly victimized doesn't just move on when the victimization stops. Instead, now that they have freedom of action, they need to rid themselves of their built up hatred by getting revenge on those who victimized them. And if they aren't available, they unfortunately turn that hatred on each other...

:(

As far as I know from my reading about WW2.. The general Polish population took active part in persecution of jews, giving jewish families out, looting them and also a lot of polish gypsies were caught too..
So I think antisemitism and neo-nazi beliefs have been an integral part of the Polish society..

N_Dog (if you see this post :P) Have you personally seen anything like this??

There is a more in-depth documentary by BBC only.. In Ross Kemps on Gangs, Ross Kemp actually meets the people in these gangs.. loved the whole series of documentaries..

Valid_Username · 05-31-12 at 05:12 AM

Downloaded this via BBC's iPlayer this morning, though yet to watch it.

Violence and racism in football?
It's hard to imagine (not).

**L1b3rta** · 05-31-12 at 06:49 AM

It's ironic isn't it? In eastern Europe, alot of countries (Poland, Ukraine, Russia etc), a huge number of that population are supporting Hitler, a man & regime of which they previously were regarded by as "untermenschen".

Adanaliyik · 05-31-12 at 07:13 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by L1b3rta

It's ironic isn't it? In eastern Europe, alot of countries (Poland, Ukraine, Russia etc), a huge number of that population are supporting Hitler, a man & regime of which they previously were regarded by as "untermenschen".

Sadly, even that reaction was understandable. When faced with the Blitzkrieg machine, rather than fight back, a lot of countries just surrendered. And, once the persecution started, it was persecute or be persecuted as a sympathizer. Hell, families were turning in their own brothers, sisters, mothers and fathers, under Hitler. If they were doing that to their own families, what would they do to people they didn't know.

Do I approve of what they did, hell no. But I do understand what the fear of being singled out, as the one person who refused to hit the Jew, would do to some people. Since I didn't live in those times, I can't say 100%. But I'd like to believe I'd have been shot as a member of the underground, rather than survive as one of the sheep...

:)

**L1b3rta** · 05-31-12 at 07:25 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Adanaliyik

Sadly, even that reaction was understandable. When faced with the Blitzkrieg machine, rather than fight back, a lot of countries just surrendered. And, once the persecution started, it was persecute or be persecuted as a sympathizer. Hell, families were turning in their own brothers, sisters, mothers and fathers, under Hitler. If they were doing that to their own families, what would they do to people they didn't know.

Do I approve of what they did, hell no. But I do understand what the fear of being singled out, as the one person who refused to hit the Jew, would do to some people. Since I didn't live in those times, I can't say 100%. But I'd like to believe I'd have been shot as a member of the underground, rather than survive as one of the sheep...

:)

I was talking about the present. That large groups in eastern Europe are praising Hitler in modern times while their grandparents were supressed, killed and tortured by the man in the past.

Adanaliyik · 05-31-12 at 09:53 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by L1b3rta

I was talking about the present. That large groups in eastern Europe are praising Hitler in modern times while their grandparents were supressed, killed and tortured by the man in the past.

I was answering Rocky's writing but quoted you, because yours looked like a shorter version of what he was saying. I wouldn't have known the difference until you pointed out that you were talking about present day.

But, like skinheads everywhere, I'm sure it's the younger people who are praising Hitler, not the one's who actually lived through WW II. There may be a few throwbacks, but very few people who were in that hell would ever think Hitler was a good thing.

Obviously, the skinheads have one thing in common with Hitler's regime, and that's the "lets blame someone else for our problems" mentality. That's why Germany was poor, because the Jews had all the money. And that's why Poland is still poor, because they didn't take care of all the Jews. Of course if the Jews were all dead, they'd pick some other group to blame their problems on, but the mentality would be the same.

Sometimes I wish there were Fanatic Ovens somewhere, but then I realize that thoughts like that make me no better than them. The world is going to hell in a hand basket. The only sane people left are all here on TP, although I do wonder about the rest of you sometimes...

:(

**SteveJones7** · 06-01-12 at 12:01 AM

That was one of the biggest replies Ive ever seen from you N-dog!

Perhaps you should have an extra long nap later, just to be on the safe side lol

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SteveJones7 Too sexy for this board Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: teh earth Posts: 1,541	That was one of the biggest replies Ive ever seen from you N-dog! Perhaps you should have an extra long nap later, just to be on the safe side lol Last edited by SteveJones7; 06-01-12 at 12:03 AM.

05-30-12 at 06:45 PM	#2
cazmajor Elite Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,648	Damn... that was a depressing video.

05-30-12 at 07:40 PM	#3
Omega_Prime Autobot Supreme Commander Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,570	Quite ironic with Poland... you would think that country above all others will know what it is like to be victimised on something they can't control.

05-30-12 at 10:46 PM	#4
tehhunter Master Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 1,282	i enjoy and love football but these shouldn't be allow by the fifa to celebrate an even these important on these two nations

05-31-12 at 01:25 AM	#5
Adanaliyik Master Join Date: May 2012 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,162	Quote: Originally Posted by Omega_Prime Quite ironic with Poland... you would think that country above all others will know what it is like to be victimised on something they can't control. That's not ironic, it's more like inevitable. Any country or large group of people that has been repeatedly victimized doesn't just move on when the victimization stops. Instead, now that they have freedom of action, they need to rid themselves of their built up hatred by getting revenge on those who victimized them. And if they aren't available, they unfortunately turn that hatred on each other... :(

05-31-12 at 01:56 AM	#6
xx55tt Newcomer Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 8	Well this was well known before. You should watch Football Hooligans International, it was on Discovery. @2:30 - perfect geography (Austria, Czech) Did you read the comments? Did you check the like-dislike ratio? I'd rather not quote anything from there.

05-31-12 at 04:26 AM	#7
rockyrocks Elite Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,364	Quote: Originally Posted by Omega_Prime Quite ironic with Poland... you would think that country above all others will know what it is like to be victimised on something they can't control. Quote: Originally Posted by Adanaliyik That's not ironic, it's more like inevitable. Any country or large group of people that has been repeatedly victimized doesn't just move on when the victimization stops. Instead, now that they have freedom of action, they need to rid themselves of their built up hatred by getting revenge on those who victimized them. And if they aren't available, they unfortunately turn that hatred on each other... :( As far as I know from my reading about WW2.. The general Polish population took active part in persecution of jews, giving jewish families out, looting them and also a lot of polish gypsies were caught too.. So I think antisemitism and neo-nazi beliefs have been an integral part of the Polish society.. N_Dog (if you see this post :P) Have you personally seen anything like this?? There is a more in-depth documentary by BBC only.. In Ross Kemps on Gangs, Ross Kemp actually meets the people in these gangs.. loved the whole series of documentaries..

05-31-12 at 05:12 AM	#8
Valid_Username Expert Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: UK Posts: 720	Downloaded this via BBC's iPlayer this morning, though yet to watch it. Violence and racism in football? It's hard to imagine (not).

05-31-12 at 06:49 AM	#9
L1b3rta Guru Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 6,003	It's ironic isn't it? In eastern Europe, alot of countries (Poland, Ukraine, Russia etc), a huge number of that population are supporting Hitler, a man & regime of which they previously were regarded by as "untermenschen".

05-31-12 at 07:13 AM	#10
Adanaliyik Master Join Date: May 2012 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,162	Quote: Originally Posted by L1b3rta It's ironic isn't it? In eastern Europe, alot of countries (Poland, Ukraine, Russia etc), a huge number of that population are supporting Hitler, a man & regime of which they previously were regarded by as "untermenschen". Sadly, even that reaction was understandable. When faced with the Blitzkrieg machine, rather than fight back, a lot of countries just surrendered. And, once the persecution started, it was persecute or be persecuted as a sympathizer. Hell, families were turning in their own brothers, sisters, mothers and fathers, under Hitler. If they were doing that to their own families, what would they do to people they didn't know. Do I approve of what they did, hell no. But I do understand what the fear of being singled out, as the one person who refused to hit the Jew, would do to some people. Since I didn't live in those times, I can't say 100%. But I'd like to believe I'd have been shot as a member of the underground, rather than survive as one of the sheep... :)

05-31-12 at 07:25 AM	#11
L1b3rta Guru Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 6,003	Quote: Originally Posted by Adanaliyik Sadly, even that reaction was understandable. When faced with the Blitzkrieg machine, rather than fight back, a lot of countries just surrendered. And, once the persecution started, it was persecute or be persecuted as a sympathizer. Hell, families were turning in their own brothers, sisters, mothers and fathers, under Hitler. If they were doing that to their own families, what would they do to people they didn't know. Do I approve of what they did, hell no. But I do understand what the fear of being singled out, as the one person who refused to hit the Jew, would do to some people. Since I didn't live in those times, I can't say 100%. But I'd like to believe I'd have been shot as a member of the underground, rather than survive as one of the sheep... :) I was talking about the present. That large groups in eastern Europe are praising Hitler in modern times while their grandparents were supressed, killed and tortured by the man in the past.

05-31-12 at 09:53 AM	#12
Adanaliyik Master Join Date: May 2012 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,162	Quote: Originally Posted by L1b3rta I was talking about the present. That large groups in eastern Europe are praising Hitler in modern times while their grandparents were supressed, killed and tortured by the man in the past. I was answering Rocky's writing but quoted you, because yours looked like a shorter version of what he was saying. I wouldn't have known the difference until you pointed out that you were talking about present day. But, like skinheads everywhere, I'm sure it's the younger people who are praising Hitler, not the one's who actually lived through WW II. There may be a few throwbacks, but very few people who were in that hell would ever think Hitler was a good thing. Obviously, the skinheads have one thing in common with Hitler's regime, and that's the "lets blame someone else for our problems" mentality. That's why Germany was poor, because the Jews had all the money. And that's why Poland is still poor, because they didn't take care of all the Jews. Of course if the Jews were all dead, they'd pick some other group to blame their problems on, but the mentality would be the same. Sometimes I wish there were Fanatic Ovens somewhere, but then I realize that thoughts like that make me no better than them. The world is going to hell in a hand basket. The only sane people left are all here on TP, although I do wonder about the rest of you sometimes... :(