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Old 12-13-12 at 08:04 AM   #1
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Default Experiments to see if the universe exists within a computer simulation from the future

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DON'T be alarmed but you may be living in a computer simulation.

Scientists from the University of Washington are conducting experiments to discover whether the universe exists within a Matrix style computer simulation created by super computers of the future.

The experiment could prove that we are merely pawns in some kind of larger computer game.

So who created these super computers that may hypothetically power our existence?

Professor Martin Savage, one of the physicists working on the project says it's unclear.

"Imagine the situation where we get a big enough computer to simulate our universe, and we start such a simulation on our computers. If that simulation runs long enough, and have the same laws as our universe, then something like our universe will emerge within that simulations, and the situation will repeat itself within each simulation," he said.

The current understanding of string theory indicates that there are 10^500 universes with different laws that determine the behaviour of particles within them, the professor of physics said.

"So it is certainly true, that with enough computer resources, theorists would like to explore these universes."

How the experiment works is a little tricky to understand, but physicists claim that finite computer resources mean that space time is not continuous but set on a grid with a finite volume, designed to create maximum energy subatomic particles. The direction these particles flow in will depend on how they are ordered on the grid (which may or may not be cubic, but could itself have some sort of non-continuous structure).

Still with me?

In a nutshell the physicists will be looking at the distribution of the highest energy cosmic rays in order to try and detect patterns that could suggest that the universe is the creation of some futuristic computer technology.

If it turns out that we are bit players in some sort of computer program, the physicist suggested that there may be a way to mess with the program, and play with the minds of our creators - all in the name of science, you understand.

"One could imagine trying to figure out how to manipulate the code, communicate with the code by moving information around, and questions that appear weird to consider today," he said.

It will be years before we see any sort of definitive data proving, or disproving the team's theory, so before you throw in your job, tell your loved ones what you have always thought of them, Professor Savage says that the possibility that you are just a piece of data in a computer simulation may be disturbing, but it doesn't nullify your existence.

You are a living, breathing human being.

"I am sure you are real!," Prof Savage said. "You are as real as I am. I see no reason to think that computers cannot exist within simulations."

"Understanding how our world and universe works at a fundamental level will continue to be worthy pursuit, and will continue lead to applications we cannot imagine today."

The physicist also said that the experiment should have no impact on the possibility of the existence of God, Vishnu, Allah or any other higher power.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/technology/experiments-to-see-if-the-universe-exists-within-a-computer-simulation-from-the-future/story-fn5izo02-1226536251540
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Old 12-13-12 at 08:13 AM   #2
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Sounds like a short story I once wrote!


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Old 12-13-12 at 08:26 AM   #3
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About time someone is trying to figure this one out.
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Old 12-13-12 at 08:45 AM   #4
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Will we get the choice between the red or blue pill when they tell us their results?
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Old 12-13-12 at 10:34 AM   #5
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Yes, it's a good movie, The Thirteenth Floor, we got it :)

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Old 12-13-12 at 10:42 AM   #6
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STOOOOOOOPPIIIIIIIIDDDDDD Are they really wasting their time on this? lol Too many movies.....
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Old 12-13-12 at 11:44 AM   #7
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I wonder how many millions of tax dollars are going to this.

Oh, and I slapped myself, so that proves I'm real.
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Old 12-13-12 at 12:26 PM   #8
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Emoticon Smile Why The Universe Is Not a Computer After All

The idea that our Universe is a giant cosmic computer pervades modern science. Now one physicists says this assumption is dangerously wrong

One of the driving forces in modern science is the idea that the Universe “computes” the future, taking some initial state as an input and generating future states as an output. This is a powerful approach that has produced much insight. Some scientists go as far as to say that the Universe is a giant computer.

Is this a reasonable assumption? Today, Ken Wharton at San Jose State University in California, makes an important argument that it is not. His fear is that the idea of the universe as a computer is worryingly anthropocentric. “It’s basically the assumption that the way we humans solve physics problems must be the way the universe actually operates,” he says.

What’s more, the idea has spread through science without any proper consideration of its validity or any examination of the alternatives. “This assumption…is so strong that many physicists can’t even articulate what other type of universe might be conceptually possible,” says Wharton.

He argues that a close look at the notion of the cosmos as a computer reveals important problems. Wharton examines several. For example, a computation involves three steps. First, the physical world has to be mapped onto some mathematical state. Next, this state mathematically evolves into a new state. And finally, the new state is mapped back onto the physical world.

In quantum mechanics, this can only happen if this final step is probabilistic. As Wharton puts it: “Not even the universe knows which particular outcome will occur.”

And yet, when the universe is measured, a specific outcome does occur. The operation of a computer cannot account for this. For Wharton, this is a crucial flaw that most physicists just overlook.

It’s also an important clue that idea of the universe is a computer is merely an assumption and one that has never been rigorously questioned. “It is the least-questioned (and most fundamental) assumptions that have the greatest potential to lead us astray,” he says.

The consequences of this are profound. “Thanks to this deep bias, it’s possible that we have missed the bigger picture: the mounting evidence that the fundamental rules that govern our universe cannot be expressed in terms of [a traditional computation].”


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Old 12-13-12 at 12:27 PM   #9
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I too have thought this but realistically can we really know whether we are or not?
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Old 12-13-12 at 12:34 PM   #10
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I too have thought this but realistically can we really know whether we are or not?
Somebody aren't, I am quite sure of that

grima wormtongue is not, for example.
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Old 12-13-12 at 02:37 PM   #11
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If we were then why would the thing running it ever let us find out?

Pointless exercise.
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Old 12-13-12 at 03:06 PM   #12
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If we were then why would the thing running it ever let us find out?

Pointless exercise.
because it already knows the inevitable conclusion we will draw in the end, that or erase our existence entirely...
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I'm gonna kick the door open soon and escape!
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