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Old 08-15-12 at 10:48 PM   #1
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Default Julian Assange can be arrested in embassy, UK warns Ecuador

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The diplomatic and political minefield that is the fate of Julian Assange is expected to come a step closer to being traversed when Ecuador's president, Rafael Correa, gives his decision on whether his country will grant the WikiLeaks' founder asylum around lunchtime on Thursday.

The decision – if it comes – will mark the end of a turbulent process that on Wednesday night saw Ecuador's foreign minister, Ricardo Patiño, raging against perceived threats from Britain to "storm" the embassy and warning that such a "dangerous precedent" would be met with "appropriate responses in accordance with international law".

The dramatic development came two months after Assange suddenly walked into the embassy in a bid to avoid being extradited to Sweden, where he faces allegations of sexual assault.

At a press conference on Wednesday, Patiño released details of a letter he said was delivered through a British embassy official in Quito, the capital of the South American country.

The letter said: "You need to be aware that there is a legal base in the UK, the Diplomatic and Consular Premises Act 1987, that would allow us to take actions in order to arrest Mr Assange in the current premises of the embassy."

It added: "We need to reiterate that we consider the continued use of the diplomatic premises in this way incompatible with the Vienna convention and unsustainable and we have made clear the serious implications that this has for our diplomatic relations."

On Wednesday night appeals were tweeted for Assange supporters to occupy the embassy to prevent British police from arresting him, and while there was a police presence outside the embassy, Scotland Yard insisted that officers were simply there to "police the embassy like any other embassy".

Patiño said he was "deeply shocked" by the diplomatic letter. Speaking to reporters later, he said: "The government of Ecuador is considering a request for asylum and has carried out diplomatic talks with the governments of the United Kingdom and Sweden. However, today we received from the United Kingdom a written threat that they could attack our embassy in London if Ecuador does not give up Julian Assange.

"Ecuador, as a state that respects rights and justice and is a democratic and peaceful nation state, rejects in the strongest possible terms the explicit threat of the British official communication.

"This is unbecoming of a democratic, civilised and law-abiding state. If this conduct persists, Ecuador will take appropriate responses in accordance with international law.

"If the measures announced in the British official communication materialise they will be interpreted by Ecuador as a hostile and intolerable act and also as an attack on our sovereignty, which would require us to respond with greater diplomatic force.

"Such actions would be a blatant disregard of the Vienna convention on diplomatic relations and of the rules of international law of the past four centuries.

"It would be a dangerous precedent because it would open the door to the violation of embassies as a declared sovereign space." Under international law, diplomatic posts are considered the territory of the foreign nation.

The Foreign Office was quick to downplay the drama. A spokesman said Britain had merely sought to "clarify its position", according to international law.

"Throughout this process we have drawn the Ecuadoreans' attention to relevant provisions of our law – for example, the extensive human rights safeguards in our extradition procedures, or the legal status of diplomatic premises in the UK," a spokesman said.

"We are still committed to reaching a mutually acceptable solution."

Ecuador revealed that it would announce its decision regarding Assange's asylum request on Thursday at 1pm.

A Foreign Office spokeswoman said: "We have consistently made our position clear in our discussions with the government of Ecuador. The UK has a legal obligation to extradite Mr Assange to Sweden to face questioning over allegations of sexual offences and we remain determined to fulfil this obligation.

"We have an obligation to extradite Mr Assange and it is only right that we give Ecuador the full picture.

"Throughout this process we have drawn the Ecuadorians' attention to relevant provisions of our law, whether, for example, the extensive human rights safeguards in our extradition procedures, or the legal status of diplomatic premises in the UK.

"We are still committed to reaching a mutually acceptable solution."

Correa has said Assange could face the death penalty in the US, and for that reason he considers the asylum request a question of political persecution.

Analysts in Ecuador expressed doubts that Britain would raid the embassy.

Professor Julio Echeverria of Quito's Flasco University said Britain "has a long-established tradition in Europe of respecting diplomatic missions", which under international law are considered sovereign territory.

A former Ecuadorean ambassador to London, Mauricio Gandara, told the Associated Press: "I refuse to believe in this threat because if asylum is granted the British government will not grant safe passage and Mr Assange could be in the embassy for a long time."

Assange denies the allegations against him, but fears he will be sent to the United States if he goes to Sweden. An offer to the Swedish authorities by Ecuador for investigators to interview Assange inside the London embassy was rejected.

A former computer hacker, Assange enraged Washington in 2010 when WikiLeaks published secret US diplomatic cables, has been taking refuge in the Ecuadorian embassy since 19 June.

If Ecuador does give Assange asylum, it is difficult to see how the WikiLeaks boss could physically leave the closely watched embassy and head to an airport without being arrested by British police.
What's going on UK? Really? Going that far for someone who is facing Sexual Charges? If that is so then what happened to Roman Polanski? That dude was convicted for Raping a 13 year old, left the country and he was in hiding for years. Oh but he makes good movies that's fine? Which by the way he went to London first.
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Old 08-15-12 at 11:32 PM   #2
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Ive been watching this slowly unfold today, its a bit shocking that the UK of all countries is taking this kind of action...
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Old 08-16-12 at 12:20 AM   #3
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Is WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange guilty of rape? That's for a Swedish court to decide. But if you're interested in the details of exactly what the charges against Assange are, Richard Pendlebury has a pretty thorough rundown in the Daily Mail today. Basically, it involves consensual sex that allegedly turned unconsensual because (in one case) a condom broke and (in the other case) Assange refused to wear a condom in the first place — both of which are crimes in Sweden under the circumstances Assange is charged with (i.e., forcibly continuing with intercourse despite the withdrawal of consent). Pendlebury is very clearly skeptical of both the charges and the women who brought them ("the more one learns about the case, the more one feels that [] the allegations simply don’t ring true"), so you should ignore some of the loaded language he uses. But he does lay out the basic narrative fairly well.

It's pretty obvious that the timing of the sex charges against Assange is fishy. At the same time, it's striking — though not really surpising — how ideologically charged this has become. The motivations of the accusers aside, if there's evidence that the Swedish court system is corrupt I haven't heard it yet. Skepticism may be in order, as it is with anyone accused but not convicted of a crime, but Assange's guilt or innocence surely depends on the evidence, not on whether you approve or disapprove of WikiLeaks.

UPDATE: Reuters has more details here: "The two Swedish women who accuse WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange of sexual misconduct were at first not seeking to bring charges against him. They just wanted to track him down and persuade him to be tested for sexually transmitted diseases, according to several people in contact with his entourage at the time."

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2010/12/what-are-julian-assanges-sex-charges-all-about

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Old 08-16-12 at 03:54 AM   #4
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Of course UK is not trying in any way to extradite Assange just because he hasn't used a condom, that in any case is a ridiculous "crime".

And of course it's the USA that want Assange for wikileaks, sex crime is a trojan horse.
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Old 08-16-12 at 04:14 AM   #5
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If Assange gets arrested in the UK, he will go to Sweden. If he goes to Sweden he will go to America because Sweden is the yellow-blue toilet paper of the US.

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Old 08-16-12 at 05:15 AM   #6
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If Assange gets arrested in the UK, he will go to Sweden. If he goed to Sweden he will go to America because Sweden is the yellow-blue toilet paper of the US.
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Old 08-16-12 at 05:58 AM   #7
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Old 08-16-12 at 06:08 AM   #8
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Ecuador grants Wikileaks founder asylum

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Ecuador has granted asylum to Wikileaks founder Julian Assange two months after he took refuge in its London embassy while fighting extradition from the UK.

It said there were fears Mr Assange's human rights may be violated.

Foreign minister Ricardo Patino accused the UK of making an "open threat" to enter its embassy to arrest Mr Assange.

Mr Assange took refuge at the embassy in June to avoid extradition to Sweden, where he faces questioning over assault and rape claims, which he denies.

Announcing Ecuador's decision, Mr Patino said the country believed Mr Assange's fears of political persecution were "legitimate".

He said the country was being loyal to its "tradition" of protecting those who are vulnerable.

"We trust that our friendship with the United Kingdom will remain intact," he added.

Outside Ecuador's embassy in London, the BBC's James Robbins said news was slowly spreading through Mr Assange's assembled supporters.

Our correspondent said they were delighted, but the UK government is insisting it changes nothing.

They will still seek to arrest him and they will not grant him safe passage. If he steps out, he will be arrested.
Is UK really going to violate international right and Ecuador Embassy Extraterritoriality? It would be a very, very dangerous step. I hope they know what they are doing. Every dictatorship in the world might take it as a right to violate embassies' extraterritoriality without dire consequences.
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Old 08-16-12 at 06:29 AM   #9
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Is the UK aware that Ecuador could declare war on them if they go into the embassy? They better tread softly!
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Old 08-16-12 at 06:38 AM   #10
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Is the UK aware that Ecuador could declare war on them if they go into the embassy? They better tread softly!
Not likely and not smart if they did. Hopefully diplomacy wins on this one
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Old 08-16-12 at 06:44 AM   #11
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That was sarcasm Dude! What is Ecuador going to do, bomb Britain with cocaine and pot?

Hey, maybe we can get Ecuador to declare war on the USA!
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Old 08-16-12 at 07:21 AM   #12
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That was sarcasm Dude! What is Ecuador going to do, bomb Britain with cocaine and pot?
T&S I was drinking my coffee, you owe me a new monitor, one thats not covered in spray from my ill fated beverage!
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Old 08-16-12 at 06:48 PM   #13
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The Ecuadorean government said it had granted Mr Assange asylum because it shared his fears of political persecution and the possible consequences of an eventual extradition to the United States.

"There are serious indications of retaliation from the country or countries that produced the information published by Mr Assange; retaliation that could endanger his safety, integrity and even his life," said the Minister of Foreign Affairs, Ricardo Patino.

"The evidence shows that if Mr Assange is extradited to the United States, he wouldn't have a fair trial.

"It is not at all improbable he could be subjected to cruel and degrading treatment and sentenced to life imprisonment or even capital punishment," he added.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19289649
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Old 08-17-12 at 10:20 AM   #14
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"The evidence shows that if Mr Assange is extradited to the United States, he wouldn't have a fair trial.

"It is not at all improbable he could be subjected to cruel and degrading treatment and sentenced to life imprisonment or even capital punishment," he added.
Very possible, and that makes me a sad panda :(

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