Questionnaire: Fast Food and How It Affects You

**PhenomIIX4** · 07-04-12 at 11:03 PM

1) How old are you?
(x) >10
( ) 11-20
( ) 21-30
( ) 31-40
( ) 41-50
( ) 51-60
( ) 61+

2) How would you describe your body type?
( ) Underweight
(x ) Average
( ) Athletic
( ) Slightly overweight
( ) Obese

3) How often do you have fast food?
( ) Never
( ) A few times a year
( ) A few time a month
( ) A few times a week
( x) Daily
If you answered “A few times a week” or “Daily” answer question 4. If not, skip to question 5.

4) Why do you eat fast food so often?
( ) Don’t have the time to cook
( ) Like the taste
( ) Convenient
( ) Cheap
(x) Other; Please state: My mom & dad is a manager at McDonald's and Burger King.

5) When was the last time you had a body check-up?
(x) Never
( ) Few years ago
( ) Last year
( ) Few months ago
( ) Few weeks ago

6) What health condition(s) do you have?
( ) Obesity
( ) High blood pressure
( ) High cholesterol
( ) Diabetes
( ) Heart disease
( ) Stroke
( ) Cancer
(x) Other; Please state: none
If you don’t have any, skip to question 9.

7) What is the origin of your health condition(s)?
( ) Hereditary
( ) Unhealthy eating
( ) Unknown
( ) Other; Please state:

8) Has your health condition(s) affected your life negatively in any way?
( ) Self-esteem
( ) Relationships
( ) Performance
( ) Reputation
( ) Other; Please state:

9) Do you think fast food is bad for you?
( ) Yes; Reason:
(x) No; Reason: I eat it everyday and I'm still alive.

10) Do you think fast food restaurants have done anything to make their food healthier?
(x) Yes
( ) No
If yes, answer question 11. If no, skip to question 11.

11) Are you satisfied with their efforts?
(x) Yes
( ) No; Reason:
If you have children answer questions 12-14. If you don’t have children, skip to questions 15-16.

12) How often do you let your children eat fast food?
( ) Never
( ) A few times a year
( ) A few time a month
( ) A few times a week
( )Daily

13) Are your children overweight?
( )Yes
( )No
If yes, answer question 14. If no, skip to question 17.

14) Have you done anything to help your children?
Yes:
( ) Exercise
( ) Diet
( ) Home cooking
( ) Less fast food
( ) Other; Please state:
No:
( )Unnecessary
( )Child help themselves
( )Other; Please state:

15) Do you think parents spoil their children with fast food?
( ) Yes
(x) No
If yes, answer question 16. If no, skip to question 17.

16) Do you think parents are harming their children this way?
( ) Yes; Reason:
( ) No; Reason:

17) Do you think the government is strict enough with the quality and the quantity of a fast food restaurant’s average nutritional value?
(x) Yes
( ) No; Reason:

18) Do you think the government is strict enough with the quality of a fast food restaurant’s hygiene?
(x) Yes
( ) No; Reason:

19) Do you think the quality of a fast food restaurant’s hygiene can affect a customer’s health?
( ) Yes; Reason:
(x) No; Reason: I eat it then I poop it. Sometimes it comes out 1-2 hours after I eat it.

Thank you for your patience and valuable opinions! Have a nice day!

Draknyte1 · 07-04-12 at 11:25 PM

Please fill in the appropriate spaces. Some questions may have more than one answer.

1) How old are you?
( ) >10
(x) 11-20
( ) 21-30
( ) 31-40
( ) 41-50
( ) 51-60
( ) 61+

2) How would you describe your body type?
( ) Underweight
( ) Average
( ) Athletic
( ) Slightly overweight
( ) Obese
(x) Slim build, but neither underweight or average.

3) How often do you have fast food?
( ) Never
( ) A few times a year
( ) A few time a month
(x) A few times a week
( ) Daily

If you answered “A few times a week” or “Daily” answer question 4. If not, skip to question 5.

4) Why do you eat fast food so often?
( ) Don’t have the time to cook
( ) Like the taste
( ) Convenient
( ) Cheap
( ) Other; Please state: I rarely feel like making a big lunch at 5am every day, plus McDonalds is beside my Uni.

5) When was the last time you had a body check-up?
( ) Never
( ) Few years ago
(x) Last year
( ) Few months ago
( ) Few weeks ago

6) What health condition(s) do you have?
( ) Obesity
( ) High blood pressure
( ) High cholesterol
( ) Diabetes
( ) Heart disease
( ) Stroke
( ) Cancer
( ) Other; Please state:
If you don’t have any, skip to question 9.

7) What is the origin of your health condition(s)?
( ) Hereditary
( ) Unhealthy eating
( ) Unknown
( ) Other; Please state:

8) Has your health condition(s) affected your life negatively in any way?
( ) Self-esteem
( ) Relationships
( ) Performance
( ) Reputation
( ) Other; Please state:

9) Do you think fast food is bad for you?
( ) Yes; Reason:
(x) No; Reason: I maintain a healthy diet otherwise so it evens out.

10) Do you think fast food restaurants have done anything to make their food healthier?
(x) Yes
( ) No
If yes, answer question 11. If no, skip to question 11.

11) Are you satisfied with their efforts?
(x) Yes - Salad is good enough.
( ) No; Reason:
If you have children answer questions 12-14. If you don’t have children, skip to questions 15-16.

12) How often do you let your children eat fast food?
( ) Never
( ) A few times a year
( ) A few time a month
( ) A few times a week
( )Daily

13) Are your children overweight?
( )Yes
( )No
If yes, answer question 14. If no, skip to question 17.

14) Have you done anything to help your children?
Yes:
( ) Exercise
( ) Diet
( ) Home cooking
( ) Less fast food
( ) Other; Please state:
No:
( )Unnecessary
( )Child help themselves
( )Other; Please state:

15) Do you think parents spoil their children with fast food?
( ) Yes
(x) No - A rare few do, but majority don't.
If yes, answer question 16. If no, skip to question 17.

16) Do you think parents are harming their children this way?
( ) Yes; Reason:
(x) No; Reason: Most parents are reluctant to buy their children fast food too often.

17) Do you think the government is strict enough with the quality and the quantity of a fast food restaurant’s average nutritional value?
(x) Yes
( ) No; Reason:

18) Do you think the government is strict enough with the quality of a fast food restaurant’s hygiene?
(x) Yes
( ) No; Reason:

19) Do you think the quality of a fast food restaurant’s hygiene can affect a customer’s health?
(x) Yes; Reason: Unhygenic workplaces can lead to food poisoning and other nastys.
( ) No; Reason:

**MacFalic** · 07-05-12 at 01:54 AM

@Omega_Prime & moofburger
No one is holding a gun to anyones head forcing the purchase\consumption of any food, fast or not. It is a personal or parental choice! As it is a matter of choice one can not blame the food outlets. If people did not purchase the food, they would go out of business, 'mythical problem' solved. It is only a 'problem' to those that would override my choice. Supposing I, or anyone else, is totally incapable of making their own choice, just because it does not fall into line with their own.

If one believes in all the propaganda, purported medical evidence, trumped-up advertising campaign of those that want to control, and in some cases the truth, I recommend education! Do not assume I can not make my own or my family's choice of food. I dispute the idea of 'child abuse' because a parent allows a child to eat 'fast food'. The argument concerning taxes and medical costs are all conjecture. The actual cost to anyone else, or the general public, is minuscule. Do your own research, don't rely on some group of the 'elite' to do it for you. All the 'but this' but that' bull-crap is only providing excuse to avoid all or part of ones personal responsibility.

Bottom line = Personal Responsibility! Don't touch my right to a free choice!

urmom · 07-05-12 at 07:34 AM

I'm with MacFalic on this one.

Not healthy, don't eat it! Educate people and let them make their own decisions.

orangejuice1982 · 07-05-12 at 04:37 PM

I've got am degree in nutrition so I should know better and did answer honestly

**moofburger** · 07-05-12 at 05:16 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MacFalic

@Omega_Prime & moofburger
No one is holding a gun to anyones head forcing the purchase\consumption of any food, fast of not. It is a personal or parental choice!

Fair comment.... to a point, however these large fast food conglomerates are exceptionally good at the leverage of "choice". It's no co-incidence for example that McDonalds™ chose a clown as their corporate mascot and give away toys, spending millions to advertise the fact. It's done because they understand and exploit the pester power of children with exquisite manipulation. Personal & especially parental choice is malleable, and they do it to great effect. They understand the old Jesuit adage "Give me the child until he's seven, and I will show you the man".

**L1b3rta** · 07-05-12 at 07:58 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by moofburger

Fair comment.... to a point, however these large fast food conglomerates are exceptionally good at the leverage of "choice". It's no co-incidence for example that McDonalds™ chose a clown as their corporate mascot and give away toys, spending millions to advertise the fact. It's done because they understand and exploit the pester power of children with exquisite manipulation. Personal & especially parental choice is malleable, and they do it to great effect. They understand the old Jesuit adage "Give me the child until he's seven, and I will show you the man".

Exceptionally well put Moof. The redundant saying of "at the end, you are the one making the choices" only is correct to a certain extend. I'd recommend anyone thinking that that statement is absolute truth, to study some basic human psychology, and/or the science of marketing.

**MacFalic** · 07-05-12 at 08:09 PM

We both make good points. It is still a choice. Although you or any group can influence that choice, you do not have the right to deny me the choice. You may believe you stand on 'moral', 'educated', 'scientifically proven' ground. You still don't have the right to chose for me. In essence you are saying "You are ignorant of the facts; I know better than you; my choice is more important than yours". Some people see this as insulting and condescending. I know not all on the 'public benefit' side, have this as any type of goal or result. Understand that it is nonetheless.

**Omega_Prime** · 07-05-12 at 08:27 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MacFalic

You still don't have the right to chose for me. In essence you are saying "You are ignorant of the facts; I know better than you; my choice is more important than yours". Some people see this as insulting and condescending. I know not all on the 'public benefit' side, have this as any type of goal or result. Understand that it is nonetheless.

Maybe in a place where you pay your own health bills but when it's the like of the UK when you have NHS paid for by the public, you have to consider trying to put public health as a major way to help reduce money spent.

**moofburger** · 07-05-12 at 08:35 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MacFalic

We both make good points. It is still a choice. Although you or any group can influence that choice, you do not have the right to deny me the choice. You may believe you stand on 'moral', 'educated', 'scientifically proven' ground. You still don't have the right to chose for me. In essence you are saying "You are ignorant of the facts; I know better than you; my choice is more important than yours". Some people see this as insulting and condescending. I know not all on the 'public benefit' side, have this as any type of goal or result. Understand that it is nonetheless.

I've never said any of that at all, I merely took you up on your original comment that "This survey is greatly biased against the 'evil' nature of 'fast food' and its providers."

Both myself and Omega' pointed towards clear examples of an industry that pushes it's evils onto the consumer. But at no point did I say you can't have the bad food.

I'm a tobacco addict, much like yourself, I've chosen my brand of suicide, & courtesy of an industry that makes the burger slingers look like boy-scouts. I'm not about to tell anybody they can't have anything bad for them.

The survey questions respondents on any negative health effects as a result of consumption, the question is valid since the effects are provable and known. This is not bias any more than a smoking survey questioning on the topic of ill health, it's merely a request for data within a known subset of the information being polled.

**Gandolph13** · 07-06-12 at 04:02 AM

I find it very slimming myself.
You wouldn't believe just how fast those bloody kangaroo's are, after I've chased them long enough I'm bushed and slimmer....

**Omega_Prime** · 07-06-12 at 06:28 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Gandolph13

I find it very slimming myself.
You wouldn't believe just how fast those bloody kangaroo's are, after I've chased them long enough I'm bushed and slimmer....

So you don't do kangaroo boxing? Disappointing!

**PhenomIIX4** · 07-06-12 at 12:02 PM

Tehparadox forgot to prune the OP.

**MacFalic** · 07-07-12 at 01:23 AM

@Omega_Prime & moofburger

I must quote myself, to give context to the argument.

Quote:

This survey is greatly biased against the 'evil' nature of 'fast food' and its providers.

A more balanced survey would also consider the fact that it is not the 'fast food' or the 'provider\business\industry' that is the cause for good or bad health. The consumer is at the root\core of health issues.

hmmmm.......I emphasized myself. (kinda felt good, think I'll grab my electronic cigarette)

So my argument stands, the questionnaire assumes by its nature:
Point; the industry et al. are evil.
Point; that 'fast food' is a root cause of bad health.
Point; that government should become involved 'to protect people from themselves'.
Point; that government needs to take children from families for feeding them this food.
Point; nowhere is 'education' of the nature of 'fast food' suggested as a solution.
Point; the very nature, tone, purpose, and existence of this questionnaire assumes that the public is not smart enough to make the "right" choice for either themselves and\or their families. As such, others should be allowed to make that choice for them.

If you point out that you believe(evidence or not) that something is bad, and express this belief often enough, it will become truth. Assume the bad is 'fast food'. You express shock and dismay that not everyone shares this pseudo-truth. You then start to show where these people are wrong. You show that this is a burden on everyone(through health care, etc.) This is then repeated for a time until it is the 'new truth'. Some are still ignoring all of your hard work trying to help them live a healthier life. You then insist government take charge, for the good of everyone. The industry is regulated. People now can not order a 'super big gulp'. Taxes on cigarettes are more than the cost of product(despite incredible lack of scientific proof re: second hand smoke.)

Making the preceding paragraph true, leaves me without the choice I would like to make. In essence if not intent you have stated: "You are ignorant of the facts; I know better than you; my choice is more important than yours".

07-05-12 at 01:54 AM	#17
MacFalic Sleeps with Kuune Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Land of Cunning Sheep Posts: 877	@Omega_Prime & moofburger No one is holding a gun to anyones head forcing the purchase\consumption of any food, fast or not. It is a personal or parental choice! As it is a matter of choice one can not blame the food outlets. If people did not purchase the food, they would go out of business, 'mythical problem' solved. It is only a 'problem' to those that would override my choice. Supposing I, or anyone else, is totally incapable of making their own choice, just because it does not fall into line with their own. If one believes in all the propaganda, purported medical evidence, trumped-up advertising campaign of those that want to control, and in some cases the truth, I recommend education! Do not assume I can not make my own or my family's choice of food. I dispute the idea of 'child abuse' because a parent allows a child to eat 'fast food'. The argument concerning taxes and medical costs are all conjecture. The actual cost to anyone else, or the general public, is minuscule. Do your own research, don't rely on some group of the 'elite' to do it for you. All the 'but this' but that' bull-crap is only providing excuse to avoid all or part of ones personal responsibility. Bottom line = Personal Responsibility! Don't touch my right to a free choice! Last edited by MacFalic; 07-05-12 at 07:58 PM.

07-05-12 at 07:58 PM	#21
L1b3rta Guru Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 6,053	Quote: Originally Posted by moofburger Fair comment.... to a point, however these large fast food conglomerates are exceptionally good at the leverage of "choice". It's no co-incidence for example that McDonalds™ chose a clown as their corporate mascot and give away toys, spending millions to advertise the fact. It's done because they understand and exploit the pester power of children with exquisite manipulation. Personal & especially parental choice is malleable, and they do it to great effect. They understand the old Jesuit adage "Give me the child until he's seven, and I will show you the man". Exceptionally well put Moof. The redundant saying of "at the end, you are the one making the choices" only is correct to a certain extend. I'd recommend anyone thinking that that statement is absolute truth, to study some basic human psychology, and/or the science of marketing. Last edited by L1b3rta; 07-05-12 at 08:01 PM.

07-05-12 at 08:35 PM	#24
moofburger Illuminati P.R. Dept Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Hidden by the FBI Tactless Protection Program Posts: 2,572	Quote: Originally Posted by MacFalic We both make good points. It is still a choice. Although you or any group can influence that choice, you do not have the right to deny me the choice. You may believe you stand on 'moral', 'educated', 'scientifically proven' ground. You still don't have the right to chose for me. In essence you are saying "You are ignorant of the facts; I know better than you; my choice is more important than yours". Some people see this as insulting and condescending. I know not all on the 'public benefit' side, have this as any type of goal or result. Understand that it is nonetheless. I've never said any of that at all, I merely took you up on your original comment that "This survey is greatly biased against the 'evil' nature of 'fast food' and its providers." Both myself and Omega' pointed towards clear examples of an industry that pushes it's evils onto the consumer. But at no point did I say you can't have the bad food. I'm a tobacco addict, much like yourself, I've chosen my brand of suicide, & courtesy of an industry that makes the burger slingers look like boy-scouts. I'm not about to tell anybody they can't have anything bad for them. The survey questions respondents on any negative health effects as a result of consumption, the question is valid since the effects are provable and known. This is not bias any more than a smoking survey questioning on the topic of ill health, it's merely a request for data within a known subset of the information being polled. Last edited by moofburger; 07-05-12 at 08:44 PM.

07-04-12 at 11:03 PM	#15
PhenomIIX4 2nd Gen. of Phenom II CPU Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Socket AM2+ Posts: 3,640	1) How old are you? (x) >10 ( ) 11-20 ( ) 21-30 ( ) 31-40 ( ) 41-50 ( ) 51-60 ( ) 61+ 2) How would you describe your body type? ( ) Underweight (x ) Average ( ) Athletic ( ) Slightly overweight ( ) Obese 3) How often do you have fast food? ( ) Never ( ) A few times a year ( ) A few time a month ( ) A few times a week ( x) Daily If you answered “A few times a week” or “Daily” answer question 4. If not, skip to question 5. 4) Why do you eat fast food so often? ( ) Don’t have the time to cook ( ) Like the taste ( ) Convenient ( ) Cheap (x) Other; Please state: My mom & dad is a manager at McDonald's and Burger King. 5) When was the last time you had a body check-up? (x) Never ( ) Few years ago ( ) Last year ( ) Few months ago ( ) Few weeks ago 6) What health condition(s) do you have? ( ) Obesity ( ) High blood pressure ( ) High cholesterol ( ) Diabetes ( ) Heart disease ( ) Stroke ( ) Cancer (x) Other; Please state: none If you don’t have any, skip to question 9. 7) What is the origin of your health condition(s)? ( ) Hereditary ( ) Unhealthy eating ( ) Unknown ( ) Other; Please state: 8) Has your health condition(s) affected your life negatively in any way? ( ) Self-esteem ( ) Relationships ( ) Performance ( ) Reputation ( ) Other; Please state: 9) Do you think fast food is bad for you? ( ) Yes; Reason: (x) No; Reason: I eat it everyday and I'm still alive. 10) Do you think fast food restaurants have done anything to make their food healthier? (x) Yes ( ) No If yes, answer question 11. If no, skip to question 11. 11) Are you satisfied with their efforts? (x) Yes ( ) No; Reason: If you have children answer questions 12-14. If you don’t have children, skip to questions 15-16. 12) How often do you let your children eat fast food? ( ) Never ( ) A few times a year ( ) A few time a month ( ) A few times a week ( )Daily 13) Are your children overweight? ( )Yes ( )No If yes, answer question 14. If no, skip to question 17. 14) Have you done anything to help your children? Yes: ( ) Exercise ( ) Diet ( ) Home cooking ( ) Less fast food ( ) Other; Please state: No: ( )Unnecessary ( )Child help themselves ( )Other; Please state: 15) Do you think parents spoil their children with fast food? ( ) Yes (x) No If yes, answer question 16. If no, skip to question 17. 16) Do you think parents are harming their children this way? ( ) Yes; Reason: ( ) No; Reason: 17) Do you think the government is strict enough with the quality and the quantity of a fast food restaurant’s average nutritional value? (x) Yes ( ) No; Reason: 18) Do you think the government is strict enough with the quality of a fast food restaurant’s hygiene? (x) Yes ( ) No; Reason: 19) Do you think the quality of a fast food restaurant’s hygiene can affect a customer’s health? ( ) Yes; Reason: (x) No; Reason: I eat it then I poop it. Sometimes it comes out 1-2 hours after I eat it. Thank you for your patience and valuable opinions! Have a nice day!

07-04-12 at 11:25 PM	#16
Draknyte1 Novice Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts Posts: 169	Please fill in the appropriate spaces. Some questions may have more than one answer. 1) How old are you? ( ) >10 (x) 11-20 ( ) 21-30 ( ) 31-40 ( ) 41-50 ( ) 51-60 ( ) 61+ 2) How would you describe your body type? ( ) Underweight ( ) Average ( ) Athletic ( ) Slightly overweight ( ) Obese (x) Slim build, but neither underweight or average. 3) How often do you have fast food? ( ) Never ( ) A few times a year ( ) A few time a month (x) A few times a week ( ) Daily If you answered “A few times a week” or “Daily” answer question 4. If not, skip to question 5. 4) Why do you eat fast food so often? ( ) Don’t have the time to cook ( ) Like the taste ( ) Convenient ( ) Cheap ( ) Other; Please state: I rarely feel like making a big lunch at 5am every day, plus McDonalds is beside my Uni. 5) When was the last time you had a body check-up? ( ) Never ( ) Few years ago (x) Last year ( ) Few months ago ( ) Few weeks ago 6) What health condition(s) do you have? ( ) Obesity ( ) High blood pressure ( ) High cholesterol ( ) Diabetes ( ) Heart disease ( ) Stroke ( ) Cancer ( ) Other; Please state: If you don’t have any, skip to question 9. 7) What is the origin of your health condition(s)? ( ) Hereditary ( ) Unhealthy eating ( ) Unknown ( ) Other; Please state: 8) Has your health condition(s) affected your life negatively in any way? ( ) Self-esteem ( ) Relationships ( ) Performance ( ) Reputation ( ) Other; Please state: 9) Do you think fast food is bad for you? ( ) Yes; Reason: (x) No; Reason: I maintain a healthy diet otherwise so it evens out. 10) Do you think fast food restaurants have done anything to make their food healthier? (x) Yes ( ) No If yes, answer question 11. If no, skip to question 11. 11) Are you satisfied with their efforts? (x) Yes - Salad is good enough. ( ) No; Reason: If you have children answer questions 12-14. If you don’t have children, skip to questions 15-16. 12) How often do you let your children eat fast food? ( ) Never ( ) A few times a year ( ) A few time a month ( ) A few times a week ( )Daily 13) Are your children overweight? ( )Yes ( )No If yes, answer question 14. If no, skip to question 17. 14) Have you done anything to help your children? Yes: ( ) Exercise ( ) Diet ( ) Home cooking ( ) Less fast food ( ) Other; Please state: No: ( )Unnecessary ( )Child help themselves ( )Other; Please state: 15) Do you think parents spoil their children with fast food? ( ) Yes (x) No - A rare few do, but majority don't. If yes, answer question 16. If no, skip to question 17. 16) Do you think parents are harming their children this way? ( ) Yes; Reason: (x) No; Reason: Most parents are reluctant to buy their children fast food too often. 17) Do you think the government is strict enough with the quality and the quantity of a fast food restaurant’s average nutritional value? (x) Yes ( ) No; Reason: 18) Do you think the government is strict enough with the quality of a fast food restaurant’s hygiene? (x) Yes ( ) No; Reason: 19) Do you think the quality of a fast food restaurant’s hygiene can affect a customer’s health? (x) Yes; Reason: Unhygenic workplaces can lead to food poisoning and other nastys. ( ) No; Reason:

07-05-12 at 07:34 AM	#18
urmom Apprentice Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Republic of Samsung Posts: 311	I'm with MacFalic on this one. Not healthy, don't eat it! Educate people and let them make their own decisions.

07-05-12 at 04:37 PM	#19
orangejuice1982 Newcomer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: London Posts: 63	I've got am degree in nutrition so I should know better and did answer honestly

07-05-12 at 05:16 PM	#20
moofburger Illuminati P.R. Dept Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Hidden by the FBI Tactless Protection Program Posts: 2,572	Quote: Originally Posted by MacFalic @Omega_Prime & moofburger No one is holding a gun to anyones head forcing the purchase\consumption of any food, fast of not. It is a personal or parental choice! Fair comment.... to a point, however these large fast food conglomerates are exceptionally good at the leverage of "choice". It's no co-incidence for example that McDonalds™ chose a clown as their corporate mascot and give away toys, spending millions to advertise the fact. It's done because they understand and exploit the pester power of children with exquisite manipulation. Personal & especially parental choice is malleable, and they do it to great effect. They understand the old Jesuit adage "Give me the child until he's seven, and I will show you the man".

07-05-12 at 08:09 PM	#22
MacFalic Sleeps with Kuune Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Land of Cunning Sheep Posts: 877	We both make good points. It is still a choice. Although you or any group can influence that choice, you do not have the right to deny me the choice. You may believe you stand on 'moral', 'educated', 'scientifically proven' ground. You still don't have the right to chose for me. In essence you are saying "You are ignorant of the facts; I know better than you; my choice is more important than yours". Some people see this as insulting and condescending. I know not all on the 'public benefit' side, have this as any type of goal or result. Understand that it is nonetheless.

07-05-12 at 08:27 PM	#23
Omega_Prime Autobot Supreme Commander Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,603	Quote: Originally Posted by MacFalic You still don't have the right to chose for me. In essence you are saying "You are ignorant of the facts; I know better than you; my choice is more important than yours". Some people see this as insulting and condescending. I know not all on the 'public benefit' side, have this as any type of goal or result. Understand that it is nonetheless. Maybe in a place where you pay your own health bills but when it's the like of the UK when you have NHS paid for by the public, you have to consider trying to put public health as a major way to help reduce money spent.

07-06-12 at 04:02 AM	#25
Gandolph13 Legendary Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Australia (GMT+10) Posts: 12,619	I find it very slimming myself. You wouldn't believe just how fast those bloody kangaroo's are, after I've chased them long enough I'm bushed and slimmer....

07-06-12 at 06:28 AM	#26
Omega_Prime Autobot Supreme Commander Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,603	Quote: Originally Posted by Gandolph13 I find it very slimming myself. You wouldn't believe just how fast those bloody kangaroo's are, after I've chased them long enough I'm bushed and slimmer.... So you don't do kangaroo boxing? Disappointing!

07-06-12 at 12:02 PM	#27
PhenomIIX4 2nd Gen. of Phenom II CPU Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Socket AM2+ Posts: 3,640	Tehparadox forgot to prune the OP.

07-07-12 at 01:23 AM	#28
MacFalic Sleeps with Kuune Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Land of Cunning Sheep Posts: 877	@Omega_Prime & moofburger I must quote myself, to give context to the argument. Quote: This survey is greatly biased against the 'evil' nature of 'fast food' and its providers. A more balanced survey would also consider the fact that it is not the 'fast food' or the 'provider\business\industry' that is the cause for good or bad health. The consumer is at the root\core of health issues. hmmmm.......I emphasized myself. (kinda felt good, think I'll grab my electronic cigarette) So my argument stands, the questionnaire assumes by its nature: Point; the industry et al. are evil. Point; that 'fast food' is a root cause of bad health. Point; that government should become involved 'to protect people from themselves'. Point; that government needs to take children from families for feeding them this food. Point; nowhere is 'education' of the nature of 'fast food' suggested as a solution. Point; the very nature, tone, purpose, and existence of this questionnaire assumes that the public is not smart enough to make the "right" choice for either themselves and\or their families. As such, others should be allowed to make that choice for them. If you point out that you believe(evidence or not) that something is bad, and express this belief often enough, it will become truth. Assume the bad is 'fast food'. You express shock and dismay that not everyone shares this pseudo-truth. You then start to show where these people are wrong. You show that this is a burden on everyone(through health care, etc.) This is then repeated for a time until it is the 'new truth'. Some are still ignoring all of your hard work trying to help them live a healthier life. You then insist government take charge, for the good of everyone. The industry is regulated. People now can not order a 'super big gulp'. Taxes on cigarettes are more than the cost of product(despite incredible lack of scientific proof re: second hand smoke.) Making the preceding paragraph true, leaves me without the choice I would like to make. In essence if not intent you have stated: "You are ignorant of the facts; I know better than you; my choice is more important than yours".