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Dretch · 04-28-12 at 05:25 AM

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Haha.. didn't wipe?? It created a such a chaotic situation in the country which would take those people years and years to get back together and there was a threat to US I must agree though

Well Iran isn't threatening Isreal with creating a chaotic situation lol The threat is extermination a "cancer to be removed".

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.. a threat of WMD's.. or whatever they are since nobody could find them.. Isn't it funny how US just went about on the word of few disgruntled Iraqi's to bomb the crap out of people there??

I'm sure that's not why they went on. Saddam was a vicious dictator and I don't mourn his loss. Reports have indicated Saddams WMD's went into Syria before the invasion, but who knows.

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Wonder if a similar paranoia started all the Iran war talk..
And don't say what Ahemdinjad said.. because Bush too mouthed off quite a bit and none of them were taken seriously so why would you take Ahemdinjad seriously??

It's not paranoida when Iran is the chief sponser of terrorism in the world. 10,000 Hamas rockets is enough of reality.

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Don't read much "into" your posts Vs. Don't read your posts.. quite a bit off difference don't you think??

Agreed! :)

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Yeah so you talked one set of people.. people who ran off from Iran..

Actually no...I talked to quite a few people IN Iran.

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do you have another side??

Sure I also talked to a Basiji in Iran and pretty much indicated that Iran is going to destroy my country and I'm going to die...blah blah

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I don't need to talk to people because I am not ranting and supporting a call for war on Iran nor am I saying it is innocent.. I am for views based on balanced facts.. and not one sided petulant views..

Sounds good! Please check out this balanced fact. And btw since you have an opposing view doesn't my view give the "balance"? You know...two seperate sides?

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9059179/Iran-We-will-help-cut-out-the-cancer-of-Israel.html

Iran: We will help 'cut out the cancer of Israel'

"From now on, in any place, if any nation or any group confronts the Zionist regime, we will endorse and we will help. We have no fear expressing this," said Khamenei.
He said Israel is a "cancerous tumor that should be cut and will be cut".
This is an obvious support for terrorism against Israel AND a threat of genocide. What is the goal of cancer treatment? To eradicate it. So we don't need to dance around translations of "wiping off the map" I think this is quite specific of enough.

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Haha.. People just changed from hating the communists in 50s 60s and 70s to hating Muslims/Islam..

Who hates Muslims/Islam? I don't and I don't know anyone that does either <shrug>

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shifting trends that's all.. that's why you don't want to touch China where you know too what goes wrong.. If China is allowing McD's to start their operations doesn't mean all is well..
But you said that US should take the lead and be a shield.. Does it stand only when US/Israel is involved or any other country..?? Because countries are being bullied by China.. There is a lot activity happening in the south china sea you know.. Or does US no longer believe in being the fighter for the good?

I have no problem to "touch" China. As I said before China is not lead by a fanatical jihadist regime nor are they destabalizing the Middle East. Or sending terrorist agents to the US to assassinate Saudi personal...you know minor things like that

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Refer to L1b3rta's last post here for why you won't be staying here much longer..

I guess we will see now won't we?

daviddownload · 04-28-12 at 06:37 AM

Is this guy an actual shill or what? (Hasbara, JIDF)

Nobody in their right mind thinks what he does.

Literally every one of his posts in this thread are propaganda. It's astonishing.

Israel is one of the worst human rights abusers in the world.
They refuse to disclose whether they have nukes so they dont need to abide by world law concerning them, repeatedly use internationally banned weapons, keep taking land to develop on regardless of anybodies opinion, and many other horrible things.

Iran never said anything about wiping anyone off the map, it was twisted words and bad translations.

Anybody with any sense is more worried about Israel starting WW3 than Iran.

(PS The list I posted of banned items is up to date and correct. They MIGHT let chocolate in nowadays, but it is a recent thing if so.)

**rockyrocks** · 04-28-12 at 08:06 AM

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Well Iran isn't threatening Isreal with creating a chaotic situation lol The threat is extermination a "cancer to be removed".

I'm sure that's not why they went on. Saddam was a vicious dictator and I don't mourn his loss. Reports have indicated Saddams WMD's went into Syria before the invasion, but who knows.

I have no problem to "touch" China. As I said before China is not lead by a fanatical jihadist regime nor are they destabalizing the Middle East. Or sending terrorist agents to the US to assassinate Saudi personal...you know minor things like that

I guess we will see now won't we?

So you will bomb them as a preemptive measure to what might be a hollow threat? His threat must be taken seriously but to the extent of waging a war just like Iraq..?? Like I said its just whims and fancies of governments..

Not sure thats why they went?? They certainly didn't go to save the people!! He had been at it for years.. And if you still believe there are wmd's haha well that concludes the discussion..

But China is led by a paranoid fanatical communist regime.. you are ok with a fanatical communist regime but not a jihadist regime?? And that's what I am saying when US bombs countries which have been "threatening" itself or Israel that's what protector of evil means.. no involvement in Sril Lanka, Darfur, Uganda, Kashmir but yes they are still protector of good over evil.. rather I'd say greedy thieving opportunists..
And fyi China regulalrly tries to assassinate "traitors" on foreign..

Dretch · 04-28-12 at 09:26 AM

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Quote: Originally Posted by daviddownload

Is this guy an actual shill or what? (Hasbara, JIDF)

You mean a shilling? Define "Hasbara"?

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Nobody in their right mind thinks what he does.

What does it mean to not be in their right mind? And what specifically do I think that makes you think this?

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Literally every one of his posts in this thread are propaganda. It's astonishing.

lol nonsense it is I who is refuting your propaganda.

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Israel is one of the worst human rights abusers in the world.

lol FALSE. Please provide examples to back up your dubious claims.

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They refuse to disclose whether they have nukes so they dont need to abide by world law concerning them,

How many countries have sanctions on us because of this? Yeah I thought so :)

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repeatedly use internationally banned weapons

Such as and if you can answer this proof of "repeated" use.

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keep taking land to develop on regardless of anybodies opinion, and many other horrible things.

FALSE (again)

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Iran never said anything about wiping anyone off the map, it was twisted words and bad translations.

As I showed in my previou post Iran (Khamenei) said "Israel is a "cancerous tumor that should be cut and will be cut". This is even a worse statement than being "wiped off the map" so we don't have to quibble about that translation. This is pretty clear cut.

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Anybody with any sense is more worried about Israel starting WW3 than Iran.

lol apparently according to you the majority of the world doesn't have sense <shrug>

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(PS The list I posted of banned items is up to date and correct. They MIGHT let chocolate in nowadays, but it is a recent thing if so.)

And again...please provide some evidence of this list so people don't think you're just making it up as you type =)

**anomander** · 04-28-12 at 10:02 AM

Come on dretch everyone knows what a shill is ..... A stooge
Like I've told you before a shilling is what we used to be charged to go see your kind .... Keep up we can't explain everything!! Lol
As for the "providing evidence" why should anyone bother? EVERY time someone has if it hasn't tied into your preconceived doctrine you just blatantly ignore it!

The marines in the series of books I take my pseudonym from on here have a saying about themselves but I think it applies to you just as well ...... Wide eyed and stupid
Its too say that no matter the facts are and no matter the evidence that it's a bad idea they continuously find themselves marching into trouble.
You seem an intelligent and articulate guy but your naïveté and obsessive need to only see one side of things (surprise surprise YOUR side) is astounding and frankly .... Depressing.
This is the indefatigable truth ......the people you listen too? They lie
Now the other side?..... well they lie too
So to be as one dimensional as you appear to be? Like I've already said .... Depressing

Notorious_dog · 04-28-12 at 10:17 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Dretch

I think he has a valid point. The US being the superpower should lead. However being this leader means confronting tyrants and regimes that endanger the whole world such as Iran. This is exactly why the US has a obligation and responsability to take the "lead" and be a shield for the forces of good!

You're American, aren't you?

GoddessOfTheUnderWorld · 04-28-12 at 10:57 AM

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Quote: Originally Posted by Dretch View Post
The US being the superpower should lead. However being this leader means confronting tyrants and regimes that endanger the whole world such as Iran. This is exactly why the US has a obligation and responsability to take the "lead" and be a shield for the forces of good!

I love action movies,and the paragraph above could provide storyline for tons of propaganda action movies from Hollywood .

bleedlikeme · 04-28-12 at 01:14 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Dretch

I think he has a valid point. The US being the superpower should lead. However being this leader means confronting tyrants and regimes that endanger the whole world such as Iran.

When I mentioned that the US had an obligation to "lead by example", I was referring to nuclear disarmament and non-proliferation; that every nation (including the USA) must follow the same set of rules. I do not support the use of military force.

Speaking of tyrants, we already have one in the White House.

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Iran is the chief sponser of terrorism in the world.

According to who? The US government?

While it's true that Iran have ties to groups like Hamas and Hezbollah, it certainly isn't the chief sponsor of terrorism in the world.

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"From now on, in any place, if any nation or any group confronts the Zionist regime, we will endorse and we will help. We have no fear expressing this," said Khamenei.
He said Israel is a "cancerous tumor that should be cut and will be cut".
This is an obvious support for terrorism against Israel AND a threat of genocide

Obvious only to you and others like yourself who've been brainwashed by the establishment media. Read more closely and you'll discover that it's actually a call for "the end of Jewish-Zionist rule in Israel", a far cry from genocide.

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Quote: Originally Posted by daviddownload

Anybody with any sense is more worried about Israel starting WW3 than Iran.

lol apparently according to you the majority of the world doesn't have sense <shrug>

Iran has been under constant threat of attack from Israel and the United States for decades, while they themselves pose no existential threat to either country. In fact, Iran has not invaded anyone in over 200 years. With Netanyahu banging the war drums, it's safe to say Israel is the biggest threat in the region (at present). A preemptive strike on Iran may indeed trigger a world war.

daviddownload · 04-28-12 at 01:39 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Dretch

And again...please provide some evidence of this list so people don't think you're just making it up as you type =)

All of my posts are backed up by research and data. If you want to see some actual truth then you'll have to put down the Jerusalem Post and your Haaretz and look into actual information without bias.

I have a feeling you know full well what Hasbara is. It's not too subtle when dudes join a forum and immediately start white knighting Israel for no reason and sounding off all the old cliche lines about Iran and Palestine. It does happen quite a lot.

Please don't use any rhetoric about "the majority of the world" because their opinions are not the same as yours. Nobody believes Israel's press releases or the US governments statements regarding the middle east. That's an almost universal truth, only refuted by some Americans and pretty much all of Israel. Look at how your posts are received in this thread for instance.

Nobody believes Iran will, or even can attack anybody. As mentioned above, they haven't attacked anybody in centuries. No matter what you are told, they aren't suicidal enough to openly wage war on Israel and the US. It's such obvious propaganda that it's shameful that anybody falls for it.

I'm going to stop replying to posts like this. People like you are the reason the world is messed up nowadays, not terrorism.

**Shawn_7** · 04-28-12 at 01:59 PM

Presently this thread looks like a group mobbing against a single user (Dretch). I hope the moderators can stop this lynch mob, considered that at this point the various opinions on the matter are rather clear. I don't think we need a flame war.

04-28-12 at 05:25 AM	#57
Dretch Newcomer Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 59	[QUOTE] Quote: Originally Posted by rockyrocks Haha.. didn't wipe?? It created a such a chaotic situation in the country which would take those people years and years to get back together and there was a threat to US I must agree though Well Iran isn't threatening Isreal with creating a chaotic situation lol The threat is extermination a "cancer to be removed". Quote: .. a threat of WMD's.. or whatever they are since nobody could find them.. Isn't it funny how US just went about on the word of few disgruntled Iraqi's to bomb the crap out of people there?? I'm sure that's not why they went on. Saddam was a vicious dictator and I don't mourn his loss. Reports have indicated Saddams WMD's went into Syria before the invasion, but who knows. Quote: Wonder if a similar paranoia started all the Iran war talk.. And don't say what Ahemdinjad said.. because Bush too mouthed off quite a bit and none of them were taken seriously so why would you take Ahemdinjad seriously?? It's not paranoida when Iran is the chief sponser of terrorism in the world. 10,000 Hamas rockets is enough of reality. Quote: Don't read much "into" your posts Vs. Don't read your posts.. quite a bit off difference don't you think?? Agreed! :) Quote: Yeah so you talked one set of people.. people who ran off from Iran.. Actually no...I talked to quite a few people IN Iran. Quote: do you have another side?? Sure I also talked to a Basiji in Iran and pretty much indicated that Iran is going to destroy my country and I'm going to die...blah blah Quote: I don't need to talk to people because I am not ranting and supporting a call for war on Iran nor am I saying it is innocent.. I am for views based on balanced facts.. and not one sided petulant views.. Sounds good! Please check out this balanced fact. And btw since you have an opposing view doesn't my view give the "balance"? You know...two seperate sides? Code: Select All http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9059179/Iran-We-will-help-cut-out-the-cancer-of-Israel.html Iran: We will help 'cut out the cancer of Israel' "From now on, in any place, if any nation or any group confronts the Zionist regime, we will endorse and we will help. We have no fear expressing this," said Khamenei. He said Israel is a "cancerous tumor that should be cut and will be cut". This is an obvious support for terrorism against Israel AND a threat of genocide. What is the goal of cancer treatment? To eradicate it. So we don't need to dance around translations of "wiping off the map" I think this is quite specific of enough. Quote: Haha.. People just changed from hating the communists in 50s 60s and 70s to hating Muslims/Islam.. Who hates Muslims/Islam? I don't and I don't know anyone that does either <shrug> Quote: shifting trends that's all.. that's why you don't want to touch China where you know too what goes wrong.. If China is allowing McD's to start their operations doesn't mean all is well.. But you said that US should take the lead and be a shield.. Does it stand only when US/Israel is involved or any other country..?? Because countries are being bullied by China.. There is a lot activity happening in the south china sea you know.. Or does US no longer believe in being the fighter for the good? I have no problem to "touch" China. As I said before China is not lead by a fanatical jihadist regime nor are they destabalizing the Middle East. Or sending terrorist agents to the US to assassinate Saudi personal...you know minor things like that Quote: Refer to L1b3rta's last post here for why you won't be staying here much longer.. I guess we will see now won't we?

04-28-12 at 08:06 AM	#59
rockyrocks Elite Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,392	[QUOTE=Dretch;8482220] Quote: Well Iran isn't threatening Isreal with creating a chaotic situation lol The threat is extermination a "cancer to be removed". I'm sure that's not why they went on. Saddam was a vicious dictator and I don't mourn his loss. Reports have indicated Saddams WMD's went into Syria before the invasion, but who knows. I have no problem to "touch" China. As I said before China is not lead by a fanatical jihadist regime nor are they destabalizing the Middle East. Or sending terrorist agents to the US to assassinate Saudi personal...you know minor things like that I guess we will see now won't we? So you will bomb them as a preemptive measure to what might be a hollow threat? His threat must be taken seriously but to the extent of waging a war just like Iraq..?? Like I said its just whims and fancies of governments.. Not sure thats why they went?? They certainly didn't go to save the people!! He had been at it for years.. And if you still believe there are wmd's haha well that concludes the discussion.. But China is led by a paranoid fanatical communist regime.. you are ok with a fanatical communist regime but not a jihadist regime?? And that's what I am saying when US bombs countries which have been "threatening" itself or Israel that's what protector of evil means.. no involvement in Sril Lanka, Darfur, Uganda, Kashmir but yes they are still protector of good over evil.. rather I'd say greedy thieving opportunists.. And fyi China regulalrly tries to assassinate "traitors" on foreign.. Last edited by rockyrocks; 04-28-12 at 08:09 AM.

04-28-12 at 01:39 PM	#65
daviddownload Novice Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 244	Quote: Originally Posted by Dretch And again...please provide some evidence of this list so people don't think you're just making it up as you type =) All of my posts are backed up by research and data. If you want to see some actual truth then you'll have to put down the Jerusalem Post and your Haaretz and look into actual information without bias. I have a feeling you know full well what Hasbara is. It's not too subtle when dudes join a forum and immediately start white knighting Israel for no reason and sounding off all the old cliche lines about Iran and Palestine. It does happen quite a lot. Please don't use any rhetoric about "the majority of the world" because their opinions are not the same as yours. Nobody believes Israel's press releases or the US governments statements regarding the middle east. That's an almost universal truth, only refuted by some Americans and pretty much all of Israel. Look at how your posts are received in this thread for instance. Nobody believes Iran will, or even can attack anybody. As mentioned above, they haven't attacked anybody in centuries. No matter what you are told, they aren't suicidal enough to openly wage war on Israel and the US. It's such obvious propaganda that it's shameful that anybody falls for it. I'm going to stop replying to posts like this. People like you are the reason the world is messed up nowadays, not terrorism. Last edited by daviddownload; 04-28-12 at 01:49 PM.

04-28-12 at 06:37 AM	#58
daviddownload Novice Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 244	Is this guy an actual shill or what? (Hasbara, JIDF) Nobody in their right mind thinks what he does. Literally every one of his posts in this thread are propaganda. It's astonishing. Israel is one of the worst human rights abusers in the world. They refuse to disclose whether they have nukes so they dont need to abide by world law concerning them, repeatedly use internationally banned weapons, keep taking land to develop on regardless of anybodies opinion, and many other horrible things. Iran never said anything about wiping anyone off the map, it was twisted words and bad translations. Anybody with any sense is more worried about Israel starting WW3 than Iran. (PS The list I posted of banned items is up to date and correct. They MIGHT let chocolate in nowadays, but it is a recent thing if so.)

04-28-12 at 09:26 AM	#60
Dretch Newcomer Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 59	Quote: Quote: Originally Posted by daviddownload Is this guy an actual shill or what? (Hasbara, JIDF) You mean a shilling? Define "Hasbara"? Quote: Nobody in their right mind thinks what he does. What does it mean to not be in their right mind? And what specifically do I think that makes you think this? Quote: Literally every one of his posts in this thread are propaganda. It's astonishing. lol nonsense it is I who is refuting your propaganda. Quote: Israel is one of the worst human rights abusers in the world. lol FALSE. Please provide examples to back up your dubious claims. Quote: They refuse to disclose whether they have nukes so they dont need to abide by world law concerning them, How many countries have sanctions on us because of this? Yeah I thought so :) Quote: repeatedly use internationally banned weapons Such as and if you can answer this proof of "repeated" use. Quote: keep taking land to develop on regardless of anybodies opinion, and many other horrible things. FALSE (again) Quote: Iran never said anything about wiping anyone off the map, it was twisted words and bad translations. As I showed in my previou post Iran (Khamenei) said "Israel is a "cancerous tumor that should be cut and will be cut". This is even a worse statement than being "wiped off the map" so we don't have to quibble about that translation. This is pretty clear cut. Quote: Anybody with any sense is more worried about Israel starting WW3 than Iran. lol apparently according to you the majority of the world doesn't have sense <shrug> Quote: (PS The list I posted of banned items is up to date and correct. They MIGHT let chocolate in nowadays, but it is a recent thing if so.) And again...please provide some evidence of this list so people don't think you're just making it up as you type =)

04-28-12 at 10:02 AM	#61
anomander Reborn Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 4,120	Come on dretch everyone knows what a shill is ..... A stooge Like I've told you before a shilling is what we used to be charged to go see your kind .... Keep up we can't explain everything!! Lol As for the "providing evidence" why should anyone bother? EVERY time someone has if it hasn't tied into your preconceived doctrine you just blatantly ignore it! The marines in the series of books I take my pseudonym from on here have a saying about themselves but I think it applies to you just as well ...... Wide eyed and stupid Its too say that no matter the facts are and no matter the evidence that it's a bad idea they continuously find themselves marching into trouble. You seem an intelligent and articulate guy but your naïveté and obsessive need to only see one side of things (surprise surprise YOUR side) is astounding and frankly .... Depressing. This is the indefatigable truth ......the people you listen too? They lie Now the other side?..... well they lie too So to be as one dimensional as you appear to be? Like I've already said .... Depressing

04-28-12 at 10:17 AM	#62
Notorious_dog Elder Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,974	Quote: Originally Posted by Dretch I think he has a valid point. The US being the superpower should lead. However being this leader means confronting tyrants and regimes that endanger the whole world such as Iran. This is exactly why the US has a obligation and responsability to take the "lead" and be a shield for the forces of good! You're American, aren't you?

04-28-12 at 10:57 AM	#63
GoddessOfTheUnderWorld Novice Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Land Of Contradictions Posts: 206	Quote: Quote: Originally Posted by Dretch View Post The US being the superpower should lead. However being this leader means confronting tyrants and regimes that endanger the whole world such as Iran. This is exactly why the US has a obligation and responsability to take the "lead" and be a shield for the forces of good! I love action movies,and the paragraph above could provide storyline for tons of propaganda action movies from Hollywood .

04-28-12 at 01:14 PM	#64
bleedlikeme Master Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 1,062	Quote: Originally Posted by Dretch I think he has a valid point. The US being the superpower should lead. However being this leader means confronting tyrants and regimes that endanger the whole world such as Iran. When I mentioned that the US had an obligation to "lead by example", I was referring to nuclear disarmament and non-proliferation; that every nation (including the USA) must follow the same set of rules. I do not support the use of military force. Speaking of tyrants, we already have one in the White House. Quote: Iran is the chief sponser of terrorism in the world. According to who? The US government? While it's true that Iran have ties to groups like Hamas and Hezbollah, it certainly isn't the chief sponsor of terrorism in the world. Quote: "From now on, in any place, if any nation or any group confronts the Zionist regime, we will endorse and we will help. We have no fear expressing this," said Khamenei. He said Israel is a "cancerous tumor that should be cut and will be cut". This is an obvious support for terrorism against Israel AND a threat of genocide Obvious only to you and others like yourself who've been brainwashed by the establishment media. Read more closely and you'll discover that it's actually a call for "the end of Jewish-Zionist rule in Israel", a far cry from genocide. Quote: Quote: Originally Posted by daviddownload Anybody with any sense is more worried about Israel starting WW3 than Iran. lol apparently according to you the majority of the world doesn't have sense <shrug> Iran has been under constant threat of attack from Israel and the United States for decades, while they themselves pose no existential threat to either country. In fact, Iran has not invaded anyone in over 200 years. With Netanyahu banging the war drums, it's safe to say Israel is the biggest threat in the region (at present). A preemptive strike on Iran may indeed trigger a world war.

04-28-12 at 01:59 PM	#66
Shawn_7 Elder Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Eventyrland Posts: 3,660	Presently this thread looks like a group mobbing against a single user (Dretch). I hope the moderators can stop this lynch mob, considered that at this point the various opinions on the matter are rather clear. I don't think we need a flame war.