UEFA EURO 2012 - The Thread - Discussion

**thongus** · 06-11-12 at 06:23 AM

Jelavic plays for my team in England, Everton & the Croatian Manager also played for us so I have a soft spot for Croatia but the goal he scored was off side... It's shower time then down the alehouse to watch the game...

**joeking** · 06-11-12 at 06:25 AM

What's UEFA EURO 2012.

**anomander** · 06-11-12 at 06:28 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by joeking

What's UEFA EURO 2012.

Come on Joe don't be like that ...... You scots have still got Argentina 78 to remember and that Archie Gemmell goal ..... Dont be bitter lol

bleedlikeme · 06-11-12 at 07:03 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by anomander

You love footy and Shirley Manson bleed?

I've been obsessed with that woman ever since I saw her on MTV in the 90s.

Matter of fact, I'll be heading down to Singapore in August to see her band (Garbage) perform live. I missed out on seeing them twice before.

Back on topic..

I'm off to stock the fridge with some beer for the big game.

**mirrow** · 06-11-12 at 07:08 AM

My vote goes out to France, they have a scary winning streak going on and the whole team is in top condition. Can't say that about England.

misssexy · 06-11-12 at 08:00 AM

Viva La France.

ABE. [Anyone.But.England]

**anomander** · 06-11-12 at 08:28 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by misssexy

Viva La France.

ABE. [Anyone.But.England]

Location:London??
Not quite grasped the saying "Dont bite the hand that feeds!!" yet I see!! Haha
So much for Liberte Egalite Fraternitie!!!! Sarkozy was last person to slag us Brits off misssexy .... And look what happened to that poison dwarf!! Lol

**Mbbest** · 06-11-12 at 08:42 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Shawn_7

The better team is the one who scores more points than its opponent, Mbbest. At least this is what I was taught

Croatian Offside: I do not see any Irish player who keeps the Croatian player onside, honestly.

Here it's the video anyway

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http://videa.hu/videok/sport/crir21jel-hSGNopU2HH38hNwF

There is better video but even on that you can see From time 0.16 - 0.20 sec. Look closely. In all it goes like this:

First thing: Croatia player SHOOT at goal while 2 croatian players are in "offside" - By UEFA rules, if those 2 players doesn't participate with that shoot (aka try to touch ball or disturb goalkeeper from seeing ball etc) then SHOT is regular, that shoot was blocked..so going next..(no offside)

Second thing: IRISH player PASS ball to CROATIA player in offside - thats also regular by UEFA. There is nothing wrong with that goal. Even at press-conference after game it was confirmed by reporters.

**rockyrocks** · 06-11-12 at 08:52 AM

Match in 10 minutes.. 2-1 to the French..

English, tell the WAGS they need to work hard to please their men..cos they will be sad :P

And 2-0 to Sweden later or a 1-1 draw.. :P

**Shawn_7** · 06-11-12 at 11:10 AM

Quote:

By UEFA rules, if those 2 players doesn't participate with that shoot (aka try to touch ball or disturb goalkeeper from seeing ball etc) then SHOT is regular

So in your opinion there were two Croatian players near the Irish goalkeeper but they weren't in 'active play' (FIFA definition) because they did not touch ball, hence the goalkeeper could rule out that they might shoot had they had the opportunity to shoot.

Active/inactive play is actually a very complicated issue, and a question of interpretations, I think you'll agree with this.

**thongus** · 06-11-12 at 11:26 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by joeking

What's UEFA EURO 2012.

Now now Joe not sour grapes I hope, all you jocks should be supporting England because you are British & frankly you will never have a team to compete at this level lol!

**anomander** · 06-11-12 at 11:30 AM

England v France
Decent first half ..... Piss poor second
Surprised how tired and unimaginative both sides were after 60 minutes obviously being paid between 100 and 200k a week in the premiership doesn't mean you have to be fit enough to compete for 90 minutes these days??

**Mbbest** · 06-11-12 at 11:31 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Shawn_7

So in your opinion there were two Croatian players near the Irish goalkeeper but they weren't in 'active play' (FIFA definition) because they did not touch ball, hence the goalkeeper could rule out that they might shoot had they had the opportunity to shoot.

Active/inactive play is actually a very complicated issue, and a question of interpretations, I think you'll agree with this.

Ofcourse, I wouldn't say anything if referee has called an offside, its his opinion about active/inactive play. I just saying its not his fault like penalty was. Most peoples dont know about offside rules and I pointing at rules that allow referee to accept that goal as good. Well I am bad at English so I hope you understand what I mean to say.

Anyway, England - France 1:1....I wasnt expecting that, France was better imo, and I thought it would be England before game started.

**Shawn_7** · 06-11-12 at 12:24 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Mbbest

Anyway, England - France 1:1....I wasnt expecting that, France was better imo, and I thought it would be England before game started.

Agree, active/inactive play is a referee interpretation, and for this reason I think referees should have slow motion devices on the playground in order to give the right interpretation.

I haven't been impressed by the match England-France, all the players seemed to be walking in the park on a sunny Sunday morning. Nice, but that was not football

06-11-12 at 08:42 AM	#36
Mbbest No kitty! bad kitty!!! Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Southpark Posts: 1,695	Quote: Originally Posted by Shawn_7 The better team is the one who scores more points than its opponent, Mbbest. At least this is what I was taught Croatian Offside: I do not see any Irish player who keeps the Croatian player onside, honestly. Here it's the video anyway Code: Select All http://videa.hu/videok/sport/crir21jel-hSGNopU2HH38hNwF There is better video but even on that you can see From time 0.16 - 0.20 sec. Look closely. In all it goes like this: First thing: Croatia player SHOOT at goal while 2 croatian players are in "offside" - By UEFA rules, if those 2 players doesn't participate with that shoot (aka try to touch ball or disturb goalkeeper from seeing ball etc) then SHOT is regular, that shoot was blocked..so going next..(no offside) Second thing: IRISH player PASS ball to CROATIA player in offside - thats also regular by UEFA. There is nothing wrong with that goal. Even at press-conference after game it was confirmed by reporters. Last edited by Mbbest; 06-11-12 at 08:46 AM.

06-11-12 at 08:52 AM	#37
rockyrocks Elite Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,392	Match in 10 minutes.. 2-1 to the French.. English, tell the WAGS they need to work hard to please their men..cos they will be sad :P And 2-0 to Sweden later or a 1-1 draw.. :P Last edited by rockyrocks; 06-11-12 at 08:55 AM.

06-11-12 at 06:23 AM	#29
thongus Elder Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Liverpool UK Posts: 2,730	Jelavic plays for my team in England, Everton & the Croatian Manager also played for us so I have a soft spot for Croatia but the goal he scored was off side... It's shower time then down the alehouse to watch the game...

06-11-12 at 06:25 AM	#30
joeking Elder Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,237	What's UEFA EURO 2012.

06-11-12 at 06:28 AM	#31
anomander Reborn Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 4,123	Quote: Originally Posted by joeking What's UEFA EURO 2012. Come on Joe don't be like that ...... You scots have still got Argentina 78 to remember and that Archie Gemmell goal ..... Dont be bitter lol

06-11-12 at 07:03 AM	#32
bleedlikeme Master Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 1,062	Quote: Originally Posted by anomander You love footy and Shirley Manson bleed? I've been obsessed with that woman ever since I saw her on MTV in the 90s. Matter of fact, I'll be heading down to Singapore in August to see her band (Garbage) perform live. I missed out on seeing them twice before. Back on topic.. I'm off to stock the fridge with some beer for the big game.

06-11-12 at 07:08 AM	#33
mirrow Maester Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,138	My vote goes out to France, they have a scary winning streak going on and the whole team is in top condition. Can't say that about England.

06-11-12 at 08:00 AM	#34
misssexy Novice Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: LONDON Posts: 168	Viva La France. ABE. [Anyone.But.England]

06-11-12 at 08:28 AM	#35
anomander Reborn Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 4,123	Quote: Originally Posted by misssexy Viva La France. ABE. [Anyone.But.England] Location:London?? Not quite grasped the saying "Dont bite the hand that feeds!!" yet I see!! Haha So much for Liberte Egalite Fraternitie!!!! Sarkozy was last person to slag us Brits off misssexy .... And look what happened to that poison dwarf!! Lol

06-11-12 at 11:10 AM	#38
Shawn_7 Elder Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Eventyrland Posts: 3,662	Quote: By UEFA rules, if those 2 players doesn't participate with that shoot (aka try to touch ball or disturb goalkeeper from seeing ball etc) then SHOT is regular So in your opinion there were two Croatian players near the Irish goalkeeper but they weren't in 'active play' (FIFA definition) because they did not touch ball, hence the goalkeeper could rule out that they might shoot had they had the opportunity to shoot. Active/inactive play is actually a very complicated issue, and a question of interpretations, I think you'll agree with this.

06-11-12 at 11:26 AM	#39
thongus Elder Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Liverpool UK Posts: 2,730	Quote: Originally Posted by joeking What's UEFA EURO 2012. Now now Joe not sour grapes I hope, all you jocks should be supporting England because you are British & frankly you will never have a team to compete at this level lol!

06-11-12 at 11:30 AM	#40
anomander Reborn Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 4,123	England v France Decent first half ..... Piss poor second Surprised how tired and unimaginative both sides were after 60 minutes obviously being paid between 100 and 200k a week in the premiership doesn't mean you have to be fit enough to compete for 90 minutes these days??

06-11-12 at 11:31 AM	#41
Mbbest No kitty! bad kitty!!! Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Southpark Posts: 1,695	Quote: Originally Posted by Shawn_7 So in your opinion there were two Croatian players near the Irish goalkeeper but they weren't in 'active play' (FIFA definition) because they did not touch ball, hence the goalkeeper could rule out that they might shoot had they had the opportunity to shoot. Active/inactive play is actually a very complicated issue, and a question of interpretations, I think you'll agree with this. Ofcourse, I wouldn't say anything if referee has called an offside, its his opinion about active/inactive play. I just saying its not his fault like penalty was. Most peoples dont know about offside rules and I pointing at rules that allow referee to accept that goal as good. Well I am bad at English so I hope you understand what I mean to say. Anyway, England - France 1:1....I wasnt expecting that, France was better imo, and I thought it would be England before game started.

06-11-12 at 12:24 PM	#42
Shawn_7 Elder Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Eventyrland Posts: 3,662	Quote: Originally Posted by Mbbest Anyway, England - France 1:1....I wasnt expecting that, France was better imo, and I thought it would be England before game started. Agree, active/inactive play is a referee interpretation, and for this reason I think referees should have slow motion devices on the playground in order to give the right interpretation. I haven't been impressed by the match England-France, all the players seemed to be walking in the park on a sunny Sunday morning. Nice, but that was not football