US Marines posed with Nazi symbol in Afghanistan

**SSRCharlieB** · 02-11-12 at 02:25 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by jay_dog992003

No one is forcing them to be there.

It is ridiculous to see them waving that flag when 60 years ago they fought against what it stood for. Not to mention the only friend America really has left in this world is Israel.

Charlie

**jay_dog992003** · 02-11-12 at 11:02 AM

Sorry, who forced them to be in the military?

Quote: Originally Posted by Noledox

Technically, someone is forcing them to be there. Once they're in, it's either follow orders and get deployed to the middle of a hostile nation or get court martialed. Since the deployment isn't likely to be considered an illegal order by the court, that means military prison.

**L1b3rta** · 02-11-12 at 11:45 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by jay_dog992003

No one is forcing them to be there.

It is ridiculous to see them waving that flag when 60 years ago they fought against what it stood for. Not to mention the only friend America really has left in this world is Israel.

I didn't know that Israel is synonym to the follow countries & continent: Australia, New Zealand, Vanuatu, Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Kiribati, Marshall Islands, Federated States of Micronesia, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Uruguay, Japan, Taiwan, Brunei, Philippines, Vietnam, Thailand, Singapore, Bangladesh, Europe (semi excluding Russia), UAE, India, Saudi Arabia etc...

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_the_United_States

**Method512** · 02-11-12 at 11:48 AM

@ L1b3rta: The keyword is really.

**L1b3rta** · 02-11-12 at 12:03 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Method512

@ L1b3rta: The keyword is really.

In politics, if you have got military and trade alliances established with a country, than you're a friend. Political friendships are very rarily found on emotions, but mostly strategical necessity.

**Method512** · 02-11-12 at 12:17 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by L1b3rta

In politics, if you have got military and trade alliances established with a country, than you're a friend. Political friendships are very rarily found on emotions, but mostly strategical necessity.

And what garantees you that if the US of A atack another country, the country that is friend with both will support the US of A and not the other?

Again, being a friend in paper doesnt mean a thing and that was what he (jay_dog992003) was trying to say.

At least that's what I think he meant. Anyway, if it isn't he can tell it himself.

**jay_dog992003** · 02-11-12 at 12:39 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by L1b3rta

In politics, if you have got military and trade alliances established with a country, than you're a friend. Political friendships are very rarily found on emotions, but mostly strategical necessity.

The US and China trade...well China sends stuff to the US and both have a military...by no means would I suggest they are friends. The US and Iraq trade, I do not think they are friends. Your idea of a friendship is quite off.

Back to the original meaning of this thread, I just think it is strange that US soldiers were posing with that flag considering one of their major allies is Israel.

DeadEmcee · 02-11-12 at 02:05 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by SSRCharlieB

That's some pretty disturbing stuff. Thanks for the link. I'm not including "Wiki", it is NOT a valid source, particularly on subjects such as this.

I can't say that about Rolling Stone though. They are a legitimate source for sure. Very revealing article, and if comepletely true as told, this story is a sad reflection on those soldiers and their officers. Somebody needs to "hang by the neck until dead", and I would gladly spring the door myself.

I will be following this story and what happens as a result of it VERY closely.

Again, thanks for the Rolling Stone link.

Charlie

Why is Wiki not a valid source? You know that most of the content has a little [number] after it where you can click it and see the original source.

If you would have checked it out, you would have seen that the trials are already over.

The harshest punishment given out was life with possibility for parole after ten years to Staff Sergeant Calvin Gibbs.

Most of the others either received a 3-7 year sentence, a slap on the wrist or had their charges dropped.

-------

Since you are on this site, I also highly recommend downloading and watching The Tillman Story documentary.

Quote: Originally Posted by jay_dog992003

Sorry, who forced them to be in the military?

While I think the whole "those guys are fighting for your freedom" thing is bs (at least, it hasn't been valid, in the past 50+ years), there is a subset of people who are basically forced into the military since it is their only opportunity at economic movement and making a living.

Their only chance to get out of whatever dying small town they were born into, the only way they can try to better themselves with additional education, the only place that will take just about any person regardless of what they have done or their lack of initial skills.

**jay_dog992003** · 02-11-12 at 04:36 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by DeadEmcee

While I think the whole "those guys are fighting for your freedom" thing is bs (at least, it hasn't been valid, in the past 50+ years), there is a subset of people who are basically forced into the military since it is their only opportunity at economic movement and making a living.

Their only chance to get out of whatever dying small town they were born into, the only way they can try to better themselves with additional education, the only place that will take just about any person regardless of what they have done or their lack of initial skills.

They just don't try hard enough (sarcasm). The US government could take a different approach, like skills training etc and get people into high tech industries. The reason there are not enough jobs is because there is barely any manufacturing left in America. Regardless of why you are in the military, there is no reason to do what they did in that flag. I doubt that a sniper team is the type of team that is "forced" to be in the military.

**lvstealth** · 02-11-12 at 06:43 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by DeadEmcee

Why is Wiki not a valid source?

ok.... when i quit laughing, i will respond... you just wait on it, ok?

guffawing!
Mandy

**orgasminator** · 02-11-12 at 08:17 PM

I was just reminded about this: SS Lazio, a pro football club based in Roma.

Logo:

About club:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.S._Lazio

Lazio Player & NAZI salute:

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http://www.soccernews.com/lazio-player´s-agent-plays-down-nazi-salute-scandal/32159/

More about: 'lazio' 'nazi' 'salute'

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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=lazio+nazi+salute

Even after knowing all these, I still regard the Lazio club just as other clubs. Nothing associates with Nazi.

I actually won't bother the marine's 'SS' element, as it's not intended as anything related to Nazism. Even for me, the denazification had gone a bit too far IMO.

daviddownload · 02-12-12 at 12:52 AM

Wikipedia is as valid a source as anywhere on these sorts of things, provided it shows the source. Much more trustworthy than the US news anyway.

Yes Nofile, WE are the bigots for not wanting the world superpower to adopt Nazi insignia. Its runic origin is irrelevant, what is important is the historical significance.There's also a difference between using a swastika in the 30's to using one today. Do these people have Hitler mustaches and loudly proclaim "NO NO I JUST LIKE CHARLIE CHAPLIN"?

You guys have a persecution complex. It's like rich white guys complaining of racism.

**SSRCharlieB** · 02-12-12 at 01:10 AM

I haven't had time to do all of the reading that I need to do to form an honest objective opinion on my own. Do you expect me to just take you at your word? I have already seen you twist things to suit your own ends, so I am now supposed to trust your word? Not likely, and after what I have seen of you here, not ever. As for Wikipedia ...

Anyone can add or delete anything that they want on Wiki. I can change anything I want on Wiki to say anything that I wish it to say, and also say that I used "so and so" as a source. As long as anyone can edit as they wish and write what they wish, it will NEVER be a valid source.

The fact that you defend it as such makes you misguided and hard to take seriously in my eyes, and in the eyes of many others on this site. Most of them just don't bother to say so.

Really not worth my time anymore. From now on if you use Wiki as a so-called "valid" source, then I will respond with ...

If Wiki links to a valid source, then YOU look it up and use the original source, instead of trying to use such potentially bogus garbage as fact. Once again, Wiki is NOT a valid source. Never has been.

If you can't give valid references for your facts ...

Charlie

**SSRCharlieB** · 02-12-12 at 01:27 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by nofile404

"Yes, Nofile, WE are the bigots ..."
Finally... you posted something I agree with.
___________________________

You got that stuff on speed-dial, Charlie?

Ditto on the first part, and yes, I do on the second.

Saves me a lot of time when dealing with idio... ah, some members.

Charlie

02-11-12 at 11:45 AM	#59
L1b3rta Guru Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 5,987	Quote: Originally Posted by jay_dog992003 No one is forcing them to be there. It is ridiculous to see them waving that flag when 60 years ago they fought against what it stood for. Not to mention the only friend America really has left in this world is Israel. I didn't know that Israel is synonym to the follow countries & continent: Australia, New Zealand, Vanuatu, Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Kiribati, Marshall Islands, Federated States of Micronesia, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Uruguay, Japan, Taiwan, Brunei, Philippines, Vietnam, Thailand, Singapore, Bangladesh, Europe (semi excluding Russia), UAE, India, Saudi Arabia etc... Code: Select All http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_the_United_States Last edited by L1b3rta; 02-11-12 at 11:50 AM.

02-11-12 at 12:03 PM	#61
L1b3rta Guru Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 5,987	Quote: Originally Posted by Method512 @ L1b3rta: The keyword is really. In politics, if you have got military and trade alliances established with a country, than you're a friend. Political friendships are very rarily found on emotions, but mostly strategical necessity. Last edited by L1b3rta; 02-11-12 at 12:07 PM. Reason: spelling

02-11-12 at 02:05 PM	#64
DeadEmcee Newcomer Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 63	Quote: Originally Posted by SSRCharlieB That's some pretty disturbing stuff. Thanks for the link. I'm not including "Wiki", it is NOT a valid source, particularly on subjects such as this. I can't say that about Rolling Stone though. They are a legitimate source for sure. Very revealing article, and if comepletely true as told, this story is a sad reflection on those soldiers and their officers. Somebody needs to "hang by the neck until dead", and I would gladly spring the door myself. I will be following this story and what happens as a result of it VERY closely. Again, thanks for the Rolling Stone link. Charlie Why is Wiki not a valid source? You know that most of the content has a little [number] after it where you can click it and see the original source. If you would have checked it out, you would have seen that the trials are already over. The harshest punishment given out was life with possibility for parole after ten years to Staff Sergeant Calvin Gibbs. Most of the others either received a 3-7 year sentence, a slap on the wrist or had their charges dropped. ------- Since you are on this site, I also highly recommend downloading and watching The Tillman Story documentary. Quote: Originally Posted by jay_dog992003 Sorry, who forced them to be in the military? While I think the whole "those guys are fighting for your freedom" thing is bs (at least, it hasn't been valid, in the past 50+ years), there is a subset of people who are basically forced into the military since it is their only opportunity at economic movement and making a living. Their only chance to get out of whatever dying small town they were born into, the only way they can try to better themselves with additional education, the only place that will take just about any person regardless of what they have done or their lack of initial skills. Last edited by DeadEmcee; 02-11-12 at 02:11 PM.

02-11-12 at 08:17 PM	#67
orgasminator Master Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: island under the eye of the day Posts: 989	I was just reminded about this: SS Lazio, a pro football club based in Roma. Logo: About club: Code: Select All http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.S._Lazio Lazio Player & NAZI salute: Code: Select All http://www.soccernews.com/lazio-player´s-agent-plays-down-nazi-salute-scandal/32159/ More about: 'lazio' 'nazi' 'salute' Code: Select All http://lmgtfy.com/?q=lazio+nazi+salute Even after knowing all these, I still regard the Lazio club just as other clubs. Nothing associates with Nazi. I actually won't bother the marine's 'SS' element, as it's not intended as anything related to Nazism. Even for me, the denazification had gone a bit too far IMO.

02-12-12 at 01:10 AM	#69
SSRCharlieB Geezer Power Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: North Carolina, Small town, USA Posts: 2,440	I haven't had time to do all of the reading that I need to do to form an honest objective opinion on my own. Do you expect me to just take you at your word? I have already seen you twist things to suit your own ends, so I am now supposed to trust your word? Not likely, and after what I have seen of you here, not ever. As for Wikipedia ... Anyone can add or delete anything that they want on Wiki. I can change anything I want on Wiki to say anything that I wish it to say, and also say that I used "so and so" as a source. As long as anyone can edit as they wish and write what they wish, it will NEVER be a valid source. The fact that you defend it as such makes you misguided and hard to take seriously in my eyes, and in the eyes of many others on this site. Most of them just don't bother to say so. Really not worth my time anymore. From now on if you use Wiki as a so-called "valid" source, then I will respond with ... If Wiki links to a valid source, then YOU look it up and use the original source, instead of trying to use such potentially bogus garbage as fact. Once again, Wiki is NOT a valid source. Never has been. If you can't give valid references for your facts ... Charlie Last edited by SSRCharlieB; 02-12-12 at 01:46 AM.

02-11-12 at 02:25 AM	#57
SSRCharlieB Geezer Power Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: North Carolina, Small town, USA Posts: 2,440	Quote: Originally Posted by jay_dog992003 No one is forcing them to be there. It is ridiculous to see them waving that flag when 60 years ago they fought against what it stood for. Not to mention the only friend America really has left in this world is Israel. Charlie

02-11-12 at 11:02 AM	#58
jay_dog992003 Elite Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,634	Sorry, who forced them to be in the military? Quote: Originally Posted by Noledox Technically, someone is forcing them to be there. Once they're in, it's either follow orders and get deployed to the middle of a hostile nation or get court martialed. Since the deployment isn't likely to be considered an illegal order by the court, that means military prison.

02-11-12 at 11:48 AM	#60
Method512 Is there a character limi Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Jersey (GMT) Posts: 3,302	@ L1b3rta: The keyword is really.

02-11-12 at 12:17 PM	#62
Method512 Is there a character limi Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Jersey (GMT) Posts: 3,302	Quote: Originally Posted by L1b3rta In politics, if you have got military and trade alliances established with a country, than you're a friend. Political friendships are very rarily found on emotions, but mostly strategical necessity. And what garantees you that if the US of A atack another country, the country that is friend with both will support the US of A and not the other? Again, being a friend in paper doesnt mean a thing and that was what he (jay_dog992003) was trying to say. At least that's what I think he meant. Anyway, if it isn't he can tell it himself.

02-11-12 at 12:39 PM	#63
jay_dog992003 Elite Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,634	Quote: Originally Posted by L1b3rta In politics, if you have got military and trade alliances established with a country, than you're a friend. Political friendships are very rarily found on emotions, but mostly strategical necessity. The US and China trade...well China sends stuff to the US and both have a military...by no means would I suggest they are friends. The US and Iraq trade, I do not think they are friends. Your idea of a friendship is quite off. Back to the original meaning of this thread, I just think it is strange that US soldiers were posing with that flag considering one of their major allies is Israel.

02-11-12 at 04:36 PM	#65
jay_dog992003 Elite Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,634	Quote: Originally Posted by DeadEmcee While I think the whole "those guys are fighting for your freedom" thing is bs (at least, it hasn't been valid, in the past 50+ years), there is a subset of people who are basically forced into the military since it is their only opportunity at economic movement and making a living. Their only chance to get out of whatever dying small town they were born into, the only way they can try to better themselves with additional education, the only place that will take just about any person regardless of what they have done or their lack of initial skills. They just don't try hard enough (sarcasm). The US government could take a different approach, like skills training etc and get people into high tech industries. The reason there are not enough jobs is because there is barely any manufacturing left in America. Regardless of why you are in the military, there is no reason to do what they did in that flag. I doubt that a sniper team is the type of team that is "forced" to be in the military.

02-11-12 at 06:43 PM	#66
lvstealth Give me your Glow juice.. Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Tennessee, USA Posts: 5,122	Quote: Originally Posted by DeadEmcee Why is Wiki not a valid source? ok.... when i quit laughing, i will respond... you just wait on it, ok? guffawing! Mandy

02-12-12 at 12:52 AM	#68
daviddownload Novice Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 241	Wikipedia is as valid a source as anywhere on these sorts of things, provided it shows the source. Much more trustworthy than the US news anyway. Yes Nofile, WE are the bigots for not wanting the world superpower to adopt Nazi insignia. Its runic origin is irrelevant, what is important is the historical significance.There's also a difference between using a swastika in the 30's to using one today. Do these people have Hitler mustaches and loudly proclaim "NO NO I JUST LIKE CHARLIE CHAPLIN"? You guys have a persecution complex. It's like rich white guys complaining of racism.

02-12-12 at 01:27 AM	#70
SSRCharlieB Geezer Power Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: North Carolina, Small town, USA Posts: 2,440	Quote: Originally Posted by nofile404 "Yes, Nofile, WE are the bigots ..." Finally... you posted something I agree with. ___________________________ You got that stuff on speed-dial, Charlie? Ditto on the first part, and yes, I do on the second. Saves me a lot of time when dealing with idio... ah, some members. Charlie