[Narubxan]

Not an organ donor, never thought much about it nor did papers for it.

On the other hand i wouldnt mind it if i had assurances that the person that gets them actually deserves them... too many people waste their health away in futile pleasures and then are in need, why should they get an organ when they spent their lives destroying the ones they had?
Or get an organ when they have 5 years lifetime left at best?

While i know that hospitals screen peoples pasts, its not always accurate and i dont believe that hospitals, being run as a business, wouldnt accept a healthy donation to grease up that screening process.

Wishing for stemcell to get a good chance, we need those developments and yet old chains keep us from improving everyone lives... Would be more concerned about the morality of that instead of people deciding not to give their organs.

Although if it keeps going as it is, im guessing it will be more like REPO haha...
"rent your new healthy heart now, fail a payment and we rip it out.
Because we arent in the business of SAVING lives, we are in the business of making MONEY"

Quote: Originally Posted by lvstealth

ever read Robin Cook?

Mandy

one of my favourite authors, think i have about 20ish of his books back home

[Method512]

Quote: Originally Posted by L1b3rta

I didn't say that. I figured an estimation.

But you said this:

Quote: Originally Posted by L1b3rta

1- (obviously) This means that by the time I die (currently 20), my organs won't be necessary for donation, as replacing an organ will be just as easy and affordable in 2082 as you were to be replacing old shoes.

By the time you die, as far as you know, you could die today. Not saying that you're going to die today , but there's a chance of it. I assumed that "by the time I die" you were meaning old age, but I dont think they would use your organs at that age even if you wanted to.

Quote: Originally Posted by L1b3rta

I like you Method,

I like you too! *_* lol

Quote: Originally Posted by L1b3rta

but I strongly have to point out that that truth does not connect with current times. Artificial grown organs have already been succesfully transplated. Now the process is very time consuming (which makes it so expensive) to grow them. But as time goes by & science advances, it will become more affordable. Prices always drop with every bit of technology the longer it is out there. For example, the computer you're using now to view the internet, a few decades ago it would be the equivalent to that of a modern car.
I know, proving what technology will be 70 years from now is difficult, but just look at the past. What people in the past deemed to be impossible, is now taken for granted.

I agree with everything you said (could you sent me some links for the artificial organs? I never knew they existed in the current times. :\) but you said they are too expensive. If someone needs an organ, the chances that they could afford it would be very slim. That will be affordable in the future, but now most people could only "afford" another person's organ.
That said, you cant say that you are not an organ donor because of the evolution of technology and science, which still isn't affordable to everyone.

[Narubxan]

Artificial organs is what they call black market organs nowadays uh? :D

[demonhunter5110]

I am an organ donor but i do plan on donating my body to science when I die.

[L1b3rta]

Quote: Originally Posted by Method512

But you said this:


By the time you die, as far as you know, you could die today. Not saying that you're going to die today , but there's a chance of it. I assumed that "by the time I die" you were meaning old age, but I dont think they would use your organs at that age even if you wanted to.

Okay, that's true. And also assuming science hasn't improved on preserving one's body throughout one's life by the year 2080, than yes, I doubt anyone will want to use anything of my husk. :P

(figure of speech, you know what I mean) I guess I could leave a note behind at the local hospital saying that I approve them taking my organs if I were to happen to die prematurely (40~ years from now = premature, imo), and withdraw the approval at the moment science has really made it possible to develop organs fast enough and made them affordable enough before I had died. But I'd still not giving my approval to doctors to use my vitals because;
1- We are so relatively close in artificial organ growth for the masses, that donating won't be direly necesserily (only convenient for the wallets of the people who need the transplants, as that might still be less expensive even after 4 decades), so what's the point.
2- I take comfort in the matter that if I were to die, that everything my body was died along with me.

Quote: Originally Posted by Method512

I like you too! *_* lol

Great. Aslong as you don't like like me! :D

Quote: Originally Posted by Method512

I agree with everything you said (could you sent me some links for the artificial organs? I never knew they existed in the current times. :\) but you said they are too expensive. If someone needs an organ, the chances that they could afford it would be very slim. That will be affordable in the future, but now most people could only "afford" another person's organ.
That said, you cant say that you are not an organ donor because of the evolution of technology and science, which still isn't affordable to everyone.

Here are some links to what science has already succesfully grown;
Bladder:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_bladder

Skin:

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/1996/artificialskin.html

Windpipe:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-07/world-s-first-laboratory-grown-windpipe-is-transplanted-in-patient.html

Ear:

http://todayilearned.co.uk/2011/10/05/scientists-grew-a-human-ear-on-a-laboratory-mouse-to-demonstrate-a-transplantation-method/

Cartilage:

http://news.bioscholar.com/2011/08/japanese-scientists-grow-cartilage-from-stem-cells-in-the-ear.html

Bone:

http://www.materialstoday.com/view/13956/growing-artificial-bone/

Blood:

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2011-11/first-transfusion-lab-grown-blood-success?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews

Nose:

http://www.pbs.org/saf/1209/segments/1209-1.htm

Blood vessels:

http://medgadget.com/2011/01/artificial_blood_vessels_grown_in_polyethylene_glycol_hydrogels.html

Heart valves:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2007/apr/02/stemcells.genetics

Liver:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-413551/British-scientists-grow-human-liver-laboratory.html

And the first kidney is either in progress, or has already been grown, but can't confirm which is true as its getting late. ^_^

And this development is in an upward spiral because of the breakthrough of genome sequencing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_genome_sequencing

Also a video of a well known scientist that could back this up (skip to 24:20):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=219YybX66MY

Here's also a TEDMED video about this subject:

http://www.ted.com/talks/anthony_atala_growing_organs_engineering_tissue.html

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On a side note, here are some links why I gave a blunt (but plausible) estimation of me reaching 90;
Intelligent toilets:

http://blog.chron.com/sciguy/2009/10/why-we-will-find-a-cure-for-cancer-in-your-toilet/

Genome scans:

http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/healthday/638677.html

This means that diseases somewhere in a few decades are preventable. Let's say you are worried about getting cancer. A full genome scan will tell if you are susceptible to cancer in your genes. Or maybe in a more direct form, your toilet. Scientists are already working on a intelligent toilet that will scan compounts in your urine. And according science, traces of the formation of cancer can be found in your wee. So your toilet will tell you "watch out, cancer is in its infant stage in your body" and so you can go to the doctor and let cancer cells be removed before they start growing. But among cancer, your toilet could also tell if you eat too much fat, sugar and salt, helping you to prevent heart diseases.

[Method512]

I dont agree with your 2nd point simply because if I die, I'm dead. You can even throw me into the sea. haha

I only knew about artifical organs from Discovery Channel's Curiosity - Can you live forever. Never knew it could be done in a (relatively) recent future.

All that seems (your last paragraph) a bit far away, but heck, I want it. :p How cool would it be to always have perfect organs and be on perfect conditions? Ah....I can only dream now...*sigh*

And thanx for the links. :)

[L1b3rta]

Quote: Originally Posted by Method512

I dont agree with your 2nd point simply because if I die, I'm dead. You can even throw me into the sea. haha

I only knew about artifical organs from Discovery Channel's Curiosity - Can you live forever. Never knew it could be done in a (relatively) recent future.

All that seems (your last paragraph) a bit far away, but heck, I want it. :p How cool would it be to always have perfect organs and be on perfect conditions? Ah....I can only dream now...*sigh*

And thanx for the links. :)

No problem bud! I enjoy talking about science and what not. :P

Check the first link out and go to 24:20 for more of an explanation about the concepts in the last paragraph. Also the second video is a guy who gives a lecture specific about artificial organ growth (was glad to finally found a TED video on this subject, just love em).

Quote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=219YybX66MY

http://www.ted.com/talks/anthony_atala_growing_organs_engineering_tissue.htm

Gotta log now, it's getting daimn late. TTYL! =)

[movieme]

If I drink poison to kill myself, could my organs still be harvested? Just curious.....

[Method512]

It's a bit late now but I'll check it tomorrow.

On a side note: I love Ted talks. :)

Quote: Originally Posted by movieme

If I drink poison to kill myself, could my organs still be harvested? Just curious.....

LOL.

In any case...if you are being remotely serious, just know that poison is one of the worst ways to go...

[lvstealth]

... again... ever read Robin Cook??

actually i am an organ donor. it has no real altruistic basis, just figure i'm done with them, what the heck!

the rest of ya'll, and the rest of it... guffaw! ...and it all matters why? you (at the point of donation) are dead ... yup, D E A D... so, all objections are just kinda silly... unless of course, you read Robin Cook!

Smiles,
Mandy