8 GB Ram the most we will ever need ?

Us0r · 07-04-12 at 03:48 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by cazmajor

There are plenty of other uses for large amounts of ram.

...and what would you be (force? :P) paging when you have that much ram lol

You are effectively saying the advantage is making virtual rar, real ram... Which wouldn't be an advantage without a necessity.

Such as?

And because windows uses HDD paging no matter how much ram you have unless you force it?

**cazmajor** · 07-04-12 at 04:24 PM

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edit video's or do some heavy graphic design / 3d modeling / animation then you will not notice any difference above 8gb

others

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Such as?

Uses for large databases, ram disks, virtuisation, distributed computing, cryptography... I could go on.

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And because windows uses HDD paging no matter how much ram you have unless you force it?

The only real ram performance related use of the page file is for when you do not not have ram left and then that data is paged to virtual memory (page file).

"When your computer's physically installed random-access memory (RAM) is running low, Windows adds available memory by using a paging file, generally known as virtual memory, on the hard disk to simulate physical RAM."

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http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308417

If there is anything that would meaningfully increase performance by placing the paging file in ram let me know (there isn't).

vp10120 · 07-04-12 at 09:07 PM

There are many premium private game servers uses 8GB to 16GB, mainly SQL DB can config to take use from 32MB to 4GB+. And SSD users disabled pagefile can truly benefit up to 16GB and more. But honestly, i think 16GB is the most we will ever need for the next 5 years of gaming and creativity, or perhaps can last even more.

Soothsayerlive · 07-04-12 at 09:24 PM

Heck even Skyrim couldn't use 4 gig when it came out. You could force it to, but I think that realistically from a strictly gaming perspective, your GPU has way more to do with running a game than RAM.

If you buy the absolute best possible GPU that your computer will support, and have 4-6 gig of memory, a reasonable quad core, and a decent hard drive you can run any game made.

ghostofIVY · 07-04-12 at 09:31 PM

nice quote

vp10120 · 07-04-12 at 09:42 PM

Thing is, the extra RAM space is provided for stored whatever programs user or OS loaded earlier, because OS will not wipe the closed app data and so it has become a prefetch storage, making programs reboot so much faster reading from RAM and less to non harddrive activity.

**nikusor665** · 07-05-12 at 03:15 AM

In the future if RAM gets cheaper and cheaper, it should be used as a virtual hard drive .

BeNPDA · 07-05-12 at 03:29 AM

Considering that a lot of games don't run in 64bit, 4GB is pretty much overkill.

You'll only need 8GB or more for video and photo editing, stitching gigapixel panoramas and other intense things like that - games, at least imo, for the next 5 years at least won't make use of 8GB.

LSD · 07-05-12 at 03:44 AM

every 10 years the amount of ram increased exponentially. in the 80's it was kilobytes, the 90's mega bytes, 2000 giga bytes the pace has slowed some because of consoles . but i can see the time soon when terrabytes will be the standard.
what is for sure is that ddr ram is approaching its limits, ddr4 will be here next year and ddr5 the year or maybe 2 after that. then we will likely switch to xdr2 ram.
for now 8 gigs is the standard most are aiming for but as most games are still 32bit they will only ever need a maxium of 2-3 gigs. when dice switch to 64bit only next year its likely you will need 8-16 gigs but most of that wont be for the game engine it will be to stream textures. max payne 3 is the first to use more than 8 gigs but it has little impact on the game... i have 6gigs and i find its plenty...for now.

**googleisyourfriend** · 07-05-12 at 05:46 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by cazmajor

Exclusively gaming system, then yes.

Well, to be fair I was replying to the OP who was "strictly talking about gaming" no doubt 8 gig is not enough even today for a lot of different non-gaming programs and tasks.

Soothsayerlive · 07-05-12 at 07:41 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by nikusor665

In the future if RAM gets cheaper and cheaper, it should be used as a virtual hard drive .

People were doing that in the 90's when memory was $10 a Meg. Compared to that, memory is dirt cheap now.

billes · 07-06-12 at 05:45 PM

Pff ram. in the future we'll have Quantum computer! screw you transistors.

vp10120 · 07-06-12 at 06:01 PM

Pfft ram? You are using it right now :P

You won't be seeing consumer class quantum computers for another 200 years to come!

lottsasmoke · 07-08-12 at 07:08 AM

I remember the early 90's when 2MBs were considered more than enough for gaming. Time flies. Before you know it 8GB will seem like 8k.

07-04-12 at 04:24 PM	#30
cazmajor Elite Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,681	Quote: edit video's or do some heavy graphic design / 3d modeling / animation then you will not notice any difference above 8gb others Quote: Such as? Uses for large databases, ram disks, virtuisation, distributed computing, cryptography... I could go on. Quote: And because windows uses HDD paging no matter how much ram you have unless you force it? The only real ram performance related use of the page file is for when you do not not have ram left and then that data is paged to virtual memory (page file). "When your computer's physically installed random-access memory (RAM) is running low, Windows adds available memory by using a paging file, generally known as virtual memory, on the hard disk to simulate physical RAM." Code: Select All http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308417 If there is anything that would meaningfully increase performance by placing the paging file in ram let me know (there isn't). Last edited by cazmajor; 07-05-12 at 02:32 AM.

07-04-12 at 09:07 PM	#31
vp10120 Expert Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Need to know? Posts: 585	There are many premium private game servers uses 8GB to 16GB, mainly SQL DB can config to take use from 32MB to 4GB+. And SSD users disabled pagefile can truly benefit up to 16GB and more. But honestly, i think 16GB is the most we will ever need for the next 5 years of gaming and creativity, or perhaps can last even more. Last edited by vp10120; 07-04-12 at 09:09 PM.

07-05-12 at 05:46 AM	#38
googleisyourfriend Apprentice Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Pandora Posts: 331	Quote: Originally Posted by cazmajor Exclusively gaming system, then yes. Well, to be fair I was replying to the OP who was "strictly talking about gaming" no doubt 8 gig is not enough even today for a lot of different non-gaming programs and tasks. Last edited by googleisyourfriend; 07-05-12 at 05:51 AM.

07-04-12 at 03:48 PM	#29
Us0r Expert Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 586	Quote: Originally Posted by cazmajor There are plenty of other uses for large amounts of ram. ...and what would you be (force? :P) paging when you have that much ram lol You are effectively saying the advantage is making virtual rar, real ram... Which wouldn't be an advantage without a necessity. Such as? And because windows uses HDD paging no matter how much ram you have unless you force it?

07-04-12 at 09:24 PM	#32
Soothsayerlive Apprentice Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 269	Heck even Skyrim couldn't use 4 gig when it came out. You could force it to, but I think that realistically from a strictly gaming perspective, your GPU has way more to do with running a game than RAM. If you buy the absolute best possible GPU that your computer will support, and have 4-6 gig of memory, a reasonable quad core, and a decent hard drive you can run any game made.

07-04-12 at 09:31 PM	#33
ghostofIVY Newcomer Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: In My Pants Posts: 22	nice quote

07-04-12 at 09:42 PM	#34
vp10120 Expert Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Need to know? Posts: 585	Thing is, the extra RAM space is provided for stored whatever programs user or OS loaded earlier, because OS will not wipe the closed app data and so it has become a prefetch storage, making programs reboot so much faster reading from RAM and less to non harddrive activity.

07-05-12 at 03:15 AM	#35
nikusor665 Newcomer Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 27	In the future if RAM gets cheaper and cheaper, it should be used as a virtual hard drive .

07-05-12 at 03:29 AM	#36
BeNPDA Newcomer Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 9	Considering that a lot of games don't run in 64bit, 4GB is pretty much overkill. You'll only need 8GB or more for video and photo editing, stitching gigapixel panoramas and other intense things like that - games, at least imo, for the next 5 years at least won't make use of 8GB.

07-05-12 at 03:44 AM	#37
LSD Apprentice Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 328	every 10 years the amount of ram increased exponentially. in the 80's it was kilobytes, the 90's mega bytes, 2000 giga bytes the pace has slowed some because of consoles . but i can see the time soon when terrabytes will be the standard. what is for sure is that ddr ram is approaching its limits, ddr4 will be here next year and ddr5 the year or maybe 2 after that. then we will likely switch to xdr2 ram. for now 8 gigs is the standard most are aiming for but as most games are still 32bit they will only ever need a maxium of 2-3 gigs. when dice switch to 64bit only next year its likely you will need 8-16 gigs but most of that wont be for the game engine it will be to stream textures. max payne 3 is the first to use more than 8 gigs but it has little impact on the game... i have 6gigs and i find its plenty...for now.

07-05-12 at 07:41 AM	#39
Soothsayerlive Apprentice Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 269	Quote: Originally Posted by nikusor665 In the future if RAM gets cheaper and cheaper, it should be used as a virtual hard drive . People were doing that in the 90's when memory was $10 a Meg. Compared to that, memory is dirt cheap now.

07-06-12 at 05:45 PM	#40
billes Apprentice Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 252	Pff ram. in the future we'll have Quantum computer! screw you transistors.

07-06-12 at 06:01 PM	#41
vp10120 Expert Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Need to know? Posts: 585	Pfft ram? You are using it right now :P You won't be seeing consumer class quantum computers for another 200 years to come!

07-08-12 at 07:08 AM	#42
lottsasmoke Newcomer Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 11	I remember the early 90's when 2MBs were considered more than enough for gaming. Time flies. Before you know it 8GB will seem like 8k.