Honesty thread. Which type of Pirate are you. Or AREN'T you

**DarnLiina** · 11-23-11 at 11:25 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by parogar

^^

Someone is angry at me...
If I had all the money in the world I would support them. I buy games that are worth buying. Games that I really love and enjoy. Just like everybody else on here or you wouldn't be here right now. Life is already bitter enough to have someone yapping at me telling me things I already know and follow yet you refuse to have a sense of humor.

I play developer's games even when I can't afford it because I do appreciate their work and their work deserves to be played by their fans.

When I say recreational things I mean outside the digital world (hiking, yoga, etc.)

So I'm sorry if you have a problem with me for some reason but right now I can only pick and choose which games I can actually buy. I'm grateful for this site because people like me can not afford certain things but when we do get a hold of them we use them to not only benefit ourselves but others too. Maybe that is just me but especially with the ebooks I have been able to download online I have been able to receive more information and learn about things that I never would or could have without them. In the future hopefully I'll be able to replace all my bad karma with good and actually support the artists/developers.

I just don't see how you didn't take what I said as a joke because I was being silly on purpose...plus, who says ,"It brings a tear to my eye," when they're being serious about something? I don't...

srs1 · 11-23-11 at 11:53 AM

Something between B and C.

Trying out is a big reason to pirate for me but then it doesnt always work out with the "buy if you like" part. Luckely a lot of the games got stupid DRM, dlcs and other shit, that is a no go, even if I had all the money in the world and since they all come from big million or billion dollar companies I dont even have to feel bad about it :d

An other reason not to buy games is that they just suck, dunno if its me getting old but they seems to get worse and worse with each year. Back in the day I was amazed by Morrowind and had a lot fun in MW, now Skyrim is pure meh (okay to be fair, I played it only 30 min) and BF3/MW3 single player ranges from boring to stupid. Anybody tryed NFS Run ? I had to deinstall after first race but enjoyed Hot Pursuit, Underground or Most Wanted for hundreds of hours.

An other reason are the "play and forget" type of games, that just arent worth even close to the full price for me even if they are decent/good like Assassins Creed. Back in the day I used to rent them, since now its hardly possible with DRM, I have to pirate em :o (Yes I realize that renting doesnt make much money for publishers but small money > no money, or ?)

@jaso151
As much as I agree that companies are greedy (well, thats the point of one, to make max money at min loss) the example with the guy who sells games cheaper is fail, for obvious reasons. (okay, obvious things arent that obvious online, so I just give ya keywords like production/marketing/investment/etc/etc)

jaso151 · 11-23-11 at 09:41 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by srs1

@jaso151
As much as I agree that companies are greedy (well, thats the point of one, to make max money at min loss) the example with the guy who sells games cheaper is fail, for obvious reasons. (okay, obvious things arent that obvious online, so I just give ya keywords like production/marketing/investment/etc/etc)

I was also meaning those and I'd like to point out as an example that MW2 cost on average $50 million dollars to produce (excluding marketing which it probably didn't need, investments etc) and first day release made $310 million and to this day has made over 1 billion in total. That's 20x (still excluding marketing and investments and such) what it cost them and that's not including the extortionate DLC. I can't see the fail in that especially when with the release of modern warfare 3 a lot of people complained that they took a lot of stuff from modern warfare 2 and re-used it (And as much as I love the game I agree). The only games I feel don't belong in this category are The Elder Scrolls and (possibly) Fallout series. With Morrowind and Oblivion the game was HUGE and all the DLC was either cheap or worth it and same with Fallout 3 and NV but I can't comment on DLC as I only bought F3 Mothership Zeta (<-- Amazing? anyone?) It's EA games mostly that I'm categorising for example NFS The Run bought and completed within 5 hours also most of the challenges complete and a lot of cars missing from the games because DLC. I'm not saying all companies are greedy, only that most are (Yes EA I mean YOU mostly).

parogar · 11-24-11 at 07:21 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Alexi

HAHAHHAH! So true! I wish the pieces of the portrait were bigger though, because recently you hardly get anything in the original game.

I'm afraid to think of what it will be like 5 years down the line. Every game will have a subsription fee like mmos? Who knows.

CollinMacleod · 11-24-11 at 07:35 AM

I usually buy games but on occasion because of things like this.

Code: Select All

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Skyrim-Morrowind-Oblivion-Elder-Scrolls-Steam,14068.html

I crack them so that I can play them the way I want. The new wonderful patch for Skyrim locks the game so that certain mods no longer work.

First time I had to was with Bioshock. I bought the game but it wouldn't run because it wanted me to turn off my firewall. So I cracked it to play the game.

DonnieX · 11-24-11 at 07:52 AM

I find myself downloading PC games to more or less demo them. I do this because with PS3 or Xbox360, you can rent a game before you buy it and with PC you can't. 90% of the time i wind up deleting the game and never thinking about it again. But, when i do find a game i like, i will go buy it. I want to support the companies that make what i like. Example, BATMAN ARKHAM ASYLUM. I downloaded, played it for a day or two, loved it, bought it. So, until we can rent PC games (never gonna happen), i'll keep on keeping on with what i do.

**nekkron** · 11-24-11 at 11:19 PM

These are interesting statistics, these stats support other surveys which have been held on piracy.

Myself, I have a few logical reasons.

- I do not support developers who don't deserve it, not matter the enjoyment of the product. I hold this in very high regard. If the developer/producer does not treat myself as a valued consumer, then I will not purchase their product, and will support piracy of it.

- I do not support DRM, online-only is the main thing that pisses me off. If I was to buy a game, walk into a shop and buy it on the spot, got home to find it had DRM of any sort, immediately return it and get my money back. I have done this after copying the game first. I do not support it, and there is not better way to put this across then simply to not purchase the product.

- I am not a statistic and refuse to support them. For the likes of Call of Duty, I refuse to download or even play a pirated copy anything past the original Modern Warfare. I played and completed the campaign on the hardest difficulty straight off the installation, it was completed within 3 hours, I have never, even looked at a page which has any of the series for download. If I do this, I add to the statistics, I will not.

- Evaluation, I simply refuse to spend $100 on a product which offers 5 hours of entertainment, even then I deeply struggle to call it entertainment. I may pirate a product simply to test the product, if I am not 100% satisfied; meaning that if I leave an image of the game on my drive and never reinstall it, or do not complete the game within a few days, I will remove it and get others to avoid it.

- I do not support difficulty scaling, pure fact I do not know what is considered a hardcore gamer. I have played only a handful of games in my 23 years where I have gone back to replay again. This is typically due to difficulties. Every game I play, I play on nothing less than the hardest mode available straight off installation. I do not find games frustrating if they are hard, this just means that the game is designed be hard. My most current example is Dragon Age II, like **** that game was hard to defeat on nightmare. I am an offensive player, I believe it taking out something before it takes out you, regardless of how fragile you may get. It works, I prove to myself every time that it can be done and I enjoy it. The reference to Dragon Age II is that my main party was always ranged, trying to get a melee character to fight an opponent equally when your other characters kill it 3 times over in a single attack, all while trying to micro manage each individual to the point of plotting out their walking paths to avoid instant death. This adds difficulty, and I enjoy that. I'm saying, if I can complete a game on my first run on the hardest difficultly, it has not been designed to be hard, meaning it won't be possible for me to enjoy it.

I could rant some more, but that's my basics.

Joe42 · 11-26-11 at 07:27 AM

I chose Type C since it's the one that most closely fits me these days. Long ago I used to pay for all my games, but I quit doing that for a number of reasons. I won't go into full detail here.

Suffice it to say that most games today are generally garbage that should never be released in their current state, and they are way overpriced.

The last time I bought games, I blew around $300 at one time and never played any of the titles more than a few hours cause they all sucked. Titles like Ghost Recon, Rainbow Six, Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale among other big mainstream titles. To this day, I still feel like I got screwed.

I've been playing pc and console games for 30 years, and they all have gone downhill big time. Most of them are just rehashes of games I was playing back in the 80s anyway.

DarkMatter1975 · 11-26-11 at 07:37 AM

I am probably type A/B kinda guy i will support those companys that truly deserve the support, i buy 80% of games i download if they are worth it, but the rest i will play and a small percent will stay as .iso's on my hdd the rest are commited to the recycle bin never to be seen again, so in short i pirate games mainly because i cannot afford them on release date(family commitments my wife kids come first) so i play them and then when i am in a position to buy them i do. disclaimer: this is not a get out clause by downloading the product before buying i am still a pirate, although one perhaps with a coincience?

DarkMatter :)

Nebirots · 11-26-11 at 02:23 PM

Where's option/type "D: Packrat"? That being said I don't download that many new games. The packrat bit is for the thousands of old pc games.

apollo1 · 11-26-11 at 03:40 PM

I pirate simply because i my yearly income is below the poverty level. I make about less than 10,000 USD a year. I have too many debts to afford 1-2 60$ games per month. A lot of times im so broke that I have to stay at home a lot and save on gas. Im pretty sure majority of pirates are young teens in high school/broke college kids that cant afford all these 60$ games, i was in their shoes once.

parogar · 11-28-11 at 06:04 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by apollo1

I pirate simply because i my yearly income is below the poverty level. I make about less than 10,000 USD a year. I have too many debts to afford 1-2 60$ games per month. A lot of times im so broke that I have to stay at home a lot and save on gas. Im pretty sure majority of pirates are young teens in high school/broke college kids that cant afford all these 60$ games, i was in their shoes once.

Just a question though apollo, if I may. IF you had the money, and you COULD afford the games, would you support it? I ask on a moral level, because in my opinion the only people who are actually hurting PC gaming, are the ones that can afford games, and don't pay for the ones made by honest companies that truly deserve your money. If you can't afford a game, then downloading it doesn't hurt it, since you never could have bought it in the first place.

But the people that can afford, and don't buy, I believe them to be hurting PC gaming more than anyone.

parogar · 11-28-11 at 06:05 AM

Double post sorry.

NoXinecrotic · 11-28-11 at 06:21 AM

Between A and B. I avoid DRM and the necessity for the disc to be in-drive at all times, yet I buy the majority of games I enjoy. If the company(s) make a great game and I enjoy it, I buy it.

Also I HATE being forced to play online because my Internet goes down a lot. The more games that move towards the online-only mode, the more games I pirate and the less games I buy.

View Poll Results: Which Type are you
Type A	67	22.87%
Type B	138	47.10%
Type C	80	27.30%
I do not pirate games, under any conditions.	8	2.73%
Voters: 293. You may not vote on this poll

11-24-11 at 07:35 AM	#47
CollinMacleod Newcomer Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 73	I usually buy games but on occasion because of things like this. Code: Select All http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Skyrim-Morrowind-Oblivion-Elder-Scrolls-Steam,14068.html I crack them so that I can play them the way I want. The new wonderful patch for Skyrim locks the game so that certain mods no longer work. First time I had to was with Bioshock. I bought the game but it wouldn't run because it wanted me to turn off my firewall. So I cracked it to play the game.

11-26-11 at 03:40 PM	#53
apollo1 Newcomer Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 61	I pirate simply because i my yearly income is below the poverty level. I make about less than 10,000 USD a year. I have too many debts to afford 1-2 60$ games per month. A lot of times im so broke that I have to stay at home a lot and save on gas. Im pretty sure majority of pirates are young teens in high school/broke college kids that cant afford all these 60$ games, i was in their shoes once. Last edited by apollo1; 11-26-11 at 03:48 PM.

11-28-11 at 06:21 AM	#56
NoXinecrotic Novice Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 108	Between A and B. I avoid DRM and the necessity for the disc to be in-drive at all times, yet I buy the majority of games I enjoy. If the company(s) make a great game and I enjoy it, I buy it. Also I HATE being forced to play online because my Internet goes down a lot. The more games that move towards the online-only mode, the more games I pirate and the less games I buy. Last edited by NoXinecrotic; 11-28-11 at 06:33 AM.

11-23-11 at 11:25 AM	#43
DarnLiina Apprentice Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 302	Quote: Originally Posted by parogar ^^ Someone is angry at me... If I had all the money in the world I would support them. I buy games that are worth buying. Games that I really love and enjoy. Just like everybody else on here or you wouldn't be here right now. Life is already bitter enough to have someone yapping at me telling me things I already know and follow yet you refuse to have a sense of humor. I play developer's games even when I can't afford it because I do appreciate their work and their work deserves to be played by their fans. When I say recreational things I mean outside the digital world (hiking, yoga, etc.) So I'm sorry if you have a problem with me for some reason but right now I can only pick and choose which games I can actually buy. I'm grateful for this site because people like me can not afford certain things but when we do get a hold of them we use them to not only benefit ourselves but others too. Maybe that is just me but especially with the ebooks I have been able to download online I have been able to receive more information and learn about things that I never would or could have without them. In the future hopefully I'll be able to replace all my bad karma with good and actually support the artists/developers. I just don't see how you didn't take what I said as a joke because I was being silly on purpose...plus, who says ,"It brings a tear to my eye," when they're being serious about something? I don't...

11-23-11 at 11:53 AM	#44
srs1 Master Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: here Posts: 1,015	Something between B and C. Trying out is a big reason to pirate for me but then it doesnt always work out with the "buy if you like" part. Luckely a lot of the games got stupid DRM, dlcs and other shit, that is a no go, even if I had all the money in the world and since they all come from big million or billion dollar companies I dont even have to feel bad about it :d An other reason not to buy games is that they just suck, dunno if its me getting old but they seems to get worse and worse with each year. Back in the day I was amazed by Morrowind and had a lot fun in MW, now Skyrim is pure meh (okay to be fair, I played it only 30 min) and BF3/MW3 single player ranges from boring to stupid. Anybody tryed NFS Run ? I had to deinstall after first race but enjoyed Hot Pursuit, Underground or Most Wanted for hundreds of hours. An other reason are the "play and forget" type of games, that just arent worth even close to the full price for me even if they are decent/good like Assassins Creed. Back in the day I used to rent them, since now its hardly possible with DRM, I have to pirate em :o (Yes I realize that renting doesnt make much money for publishers but small money > no money, or ?) @jaso151 As much as I agree that companies are greedy (well, thats the point of one, to make max money at min loss) the example with the guy who sells games cheaper is fail, for obvious reasons. (okay, obvious things arent that obvious online, so I just give ya keywords like production/marketing/investment/etc/etc)

11-23-11 at 09:41 PM	#45
jaso151 Newcomer Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 37	Quote: Originally Posted by srs1 @jaso151 As much as I agree that companies are greedy (well, thats the point of one, to make max money at min loss) the example with the guy who sells games cheaper is fail, for obvious reasons. (okay, obvious things arent that obvious online, so I just give ya keywords like production/marketing/investment/etc/etc) I was also meaning those and I'd like to point out as an example that MW2 cost on average $50 million dollars to produce (excluding marketing which it probably didn't need, investments etc) and first day release made $310 million and to this day has made over 1 billion in total. That's 20x (still excluding marketing and investments and such) what it cost them and that's not including the extortionate DLC. I can't see the fail in that especially when with the release of modern warfare 3 a lot of people complained that they took a lot of stuff from modern warfare 2 and re-used it (And as much as I love the game I agree). The only games I feel don't belong in this category are The Elder Scrolls and (possibly) Fallout series. With Morrowind and Oblivion the game was HUGE and all the DLC was either cheap or worth it and same with Fallout 3 and NV but I can't comment on DLC as I only bought F3 Mothership Zeta (<-- Amazing? anyone?) It's EA games mostly that I'm categorising for example NFS The Run bought and completed within 5 hours also most of the challenges complete and a lot of cars missing from the games because DLC. I'm not saying all companies are greedy, only that most are (Yes EA I mean YOU mostly).

11-24-11 at 07:21 AM	#46
parogar Newcomer Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 37	Quote: Originally Posted by Alexi HAHAHHAH! So true! I wish the pieces of the portrait were bigger though, because recently you hardly get anything in the original game. I'm afraid to think of what it will be like 5 years down the line. Every game will have a subsription fee like mmos? Who knows.

11-24-11 at 07:52 AM	#48
DonnieX Newcomer Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 35	I find myself downloading PC games to more or less demo them. I do this because with PS3 or Xbox360, you can rent a game before you buy it and with PC you can't. 90% of the time i wind up deleting the game and never thinking about it again. But, when i do find a game i like, i will go buy it. I want to support the companies that make what i like. Example, BATMAN ARKHAM ASYLUM. I downloaded, played it for a day or two, loved it, bought it. So, until we can rent PC games (never gonna happen), i'll keep on keeping on with what i do.

11-24-11 at 11:19 PM	#49
nekkron Apprentice Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 406	These are interesting statistics, these stats support other surveys which have been held on piracy. Myself, I have a few logical reasons. - I do not support developers who don't deserve it, not matter the enjoyment of the product. I hold this in very high regard. If the developer/producer does not treat myself as a valued consumer, then I will not purchase their product, and will support piracy of it. - I do not support DRM, online-only is the main thing that pisses me off. If I was to buy a game, walk into a shop and buy it on the spot, got home to find it had DRM of any sort, immediately return it and get my money back. I have done this after copying the game first. I do not support it, and there is not better way to put this across then simply to not purchase the product. - I am not a statistic and refuse to support them. For the likes of Call of Duty, I refuse to download or even play a pirated copy anything past the original Modern Warfare. I played and completed the campaign on the hardest difficulty straight off the installation, it was completed within 3 hours, I have never, even looked at a page which has any of the series for download. If I do this, I add to the statistics, I will not. - Evaluation, I simply refuse to spend $100 on a product which offers 5 hours of entertainment, even then I deeply struggle to call it entertainment. I may pirate a product simply to test the product, if I am not 100% satisfied; meaning that if I leave an image of the game on my drive and never reinstall it, or do not complete the game within a few days, I will remove it and get others to avoid it. - I do not support difficulty scaling, pure fact I do not know what is considered a hardcore gamer. I have played only a handful of games in my 23 years where I have gone back to replay again. This is typically due to difficulties. Every game I play, I play on nothing less than the hardest mode available straight off installation. I do not find games frustrating if they are hard, this just means that the game is designed be hard. My most current example is Dragon Age II, like **** that game was hard to defeat on nightmare. I am an offensive player, I believe it taking out something before it takes out you, regardless of how fragile you may get. It works, I prove to myself every time that it can be done and I enjoy it. The reference to Dragon Age II is that my main party was always ranged, trying to get a melee character to fight an opponent equally when your other characters kill it 3 times over in a single attack, all while trying to micro manage each individual to the point of plotting out their walking paths to avoid instant death. This adds difficulty, and I enjoy that. I'm saying, if I can complete a game on my first run on the hardest difficultly, it has not been designed to be hard, meaning it won't be possible for me to enjoy it. I could rant some more, but that's my basics.

11-26-11 at 07:27 AM	#50
Joe42 Apprentice Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 420	I chose Type C since it's the one that most closely fits me these days. Long ago I used to pay for all my games, but I quit doing that for a number of reasons. I won't go into full detail here. Suffice it to say that most games today are generally garbage that should never be released in their current state, and they are way overpriced. The last time I bought games, I blew around $300 at one time and never played any of the titles more than a few hours cause they all sucked. Titles like Ghost Recon, Rainbow Six, Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale among other big mainstream titles. To this day, I still feel like I got screwed. I've been playing pc and console games for 30 years, and they all have gone downhill big time. Most of them are just rehashes of games I was playing back in the 80s anyway.

11-26-11 at 07:37 AM	#51
DarkMatter1975 Expert Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 518	I am probably type A/B kinda guy i will support those companys that truly deserve the support, i buy 80% of games i download if they are worth it, but the rest i will play and a small percent will stay as .iso's on my hdd the rest are commited to the recycle bin never to be seen again, so in short i pirate games mainly because i cannot afford them on release date(family commitments my wife kids come first) so i play them and then when i am in a position to buy them i do. disclaimer: this is not a get out clause by downloading the product before buying i am still a pirate, although one perhaps with a coincience? DarkMatter :)

11-26-11 at 02:23 PM	#52
Nebirots Novice Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 116	Where's option/type "D: Packrat"? That being said I don't download that many new games. The packrat bit is for the thousands of old pc games.

11-28-11 at 06:04 AM	#54
parogar Newcomer Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 37	Quote: Originally Posted by apollo1 I pirate simply because i my yearly income is below the poverty level. I make about less than 10,000 USD a year. I have too many debts to afford 1-2 60$ games per month. A lot of times im so broke that I have to stay at home a lot and save on gas. Im pretty sure majority of pirates are young teens in high school/broke college kids that cant afford all these 60$ games, i was in their shoes once. Just a question though apollo, if I may. IF you had the money, and you *COULD* afford the games, would you support it? I ask on a moral level, because in my opinion the only people who are actually hurting PC gaming, are the ones that can afford games, and don't pay for the ones made by honest companies that truly deserve your money. If you can't afford a game, then downloading it doesn't hurt it, since you never could have bought it in the first place. But the people that can afford, and don't buy, I believe them to be hurting PC gaming more than anyone.

11-28-11 at 06:05 AM	#55
parogar Newcomer Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 37	Double post sorry.