FBI takes Kim Dotcom's data without courts consent or knowledge

ktwister · 05-23-12 at 04:31 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Pauz

I am offended by that statement.
1. I am a US citizen, but I do not support these practices.
2. I do vote, and every politician out there is crap, they say one thing on election day and do something else after elected.
3. I don't have a choice to pay taxes, the government gets there money before I do.

In essence, what I got out of what voodu was saying wasn't anything offensive.
He seemed to be speaking more in the light of what Henry David Thoreau is talking about in 'Civil Disobedience' regarding how government works and how to disassemble a faulty one.
Also Ron Paul seemed like he had alot of interesting things to say and stood by his word on shutting down a lot of texas big business shadiness in the past.
Yet, he is pretty much shut out of the race so you are once again presented with the problem of choosing between the greater evils.
It seems the voting process is more skewed than the judicial system.
Everyone has the choice to pay taxes, and if the government is getting your money before you than I would go off the grid because that seems alot like indentured servitude or slavery to me. No offense.

BeatlesFan02 · 05-23-12 at 06:51 PM

Here are a couple of points I would like to make known.

Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order, and everything becomes chaos. - The Joker

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these States; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. - The United States Declaration of Independence

dannie9 · 05-23-12 at 07:08 PM

they saw they were gonna lose so they did the only thing they could

**yeldarbn** · 05-23-12 at 07:19 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by dannie9

they saw they were gonna lose so they did the only thing they could

That sounds suspiciously like an attempt to justify, Or, At least, Rationalise the behaviour of the FBI, And, By extension, The US government.

Make no mistake: There is NO excuse for this behaviour.

If they realised that they were going to lose the trial, Then they should have tried to negotiate a deal, Or concede - Like any other human being, Instead of using underhanded tactics like stealing evidence, In an effort to undermine Kim's ability to mount a case, And then proceed to HIDE behind the bureau's power.

It's time for a bit of:

whitewolfgs · 05-23-12 at 09:56 PM

As a U.S. citizen, I feel that we as a nation are on a slippery slope towards fascism, and no one will see it coming. And by "no one," I mean the general (stupid) public.

**yeldarbn** · 05-23-12 at 11:18 PM

A list of things the U.S. government SHOULD be worrying about, And dealing with, Instead of this:

1. Deficit spending.
2. The nation's credit rating.
3. The advancement of science and technology.
4. Related to point 3, Space travel and the colonisation of other planets.
5. The failure of the United Nations, After the 'Syria Debacle'.
6. The development of nuclear weapons in Iran.
7. International relations, And their standing with other developed and, For that matter, Undeveloped nations.
8. The ridiculous myriad of law suits between and against technology companies i.e. Samsung, Microsoft, Google, Apple etc.
9. Humanitarian efforts to and for undeveloped nations.
10. Peace and harmony, Without the enforcement of 'power' and, In relation to this, The seperation of church, Police, Military and state.

(Just a few things off the top of my head)

**SteveJones7** · 05-24-12 at 12:21 AM

What gets me, is the fact, the ENTIRE world is pissed off at america right now, and they KEEP increasing the things that piss people off.

Any normal countries government would be trying to repair the damage, but not USA, they just keep digging the hole deeper.

Well mark my words, their time as dictators is limited.
When a government goes down this road, its the beginning of the end.

Im sure Nazi germany thought it was going to be one big success story, and look at how that turned out, they still feel the shame of their actions.

p.s And yes, the godwin award candidate speaks again lol

**nekkron** · 05-24-12 at 02:52 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by BeatlesFan02

Finally! Someone else sees my point of view: The American government has way too much power!

I don't see it so much as too much power, just their plain ignorance. Don't get me wrong, the technology that consumers are accustomed to are nothing compared to what government agencies have at their disposal; it's the lack of care, they don't care. If you want to complain about it, they'll just rid of you. Shittin' on the little man!

The FBI surprisingly is just a smaller body in a rather big sea of agencies. They don't have nearly enough access to information, training or technology as others. They still have people to answer to, rules to obide by it just so happens that their actions violate conditions for credible information and sourcing of information, it may not work out that way in the courts.

hockeynut202 · 05-24-12 at 04:20 AM

People saying "Kim dotcom should sue them" you cannot sue in New Zealand but he could most likely lay a complaint or file for some other charges or just get some other country involved that would support him 100% and watch the NZ government crumble. I'd love to see that smug look of John Key's (our Prime Minister) face gone.

**lazzyie** · 05-24-12 at 06:35 AM

It is not that american citizens do not care it is like trying to stop an avalanche with a shovel and a helmet. Some asshats pushed the snowball down the hill too long ago and it has gotten to so large of a size to stop, people don't have good choices in candidates to actually pick someone that wants real change so they grasp onto the first person whom claims "change" just to watch him get pushed aside by the status quo.
Like usual we have no control over what our government does, people continue to wake up more and more in America to the bullshit that our government feeds us and hopefully that will help change things as the older population that votes just on party lines dies off.
Unfortunately "We the People" did not keep an eye on our government as close as we should have and forgot the famous quote by one of our founders: “There are two ways to conquer and enslave a country. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.”
― John Adams

**Omega_Prime** · 05-24-12 at 08:17 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by nekkron

I don't see it so much as too much power, just their plain ignorance. Don't get me wrong, the technology that consumers are accustomed to are nothing compared to what government agencies have at their disposal; it's the lack of care, they don't care. If you want to complain about it, they'll just rid of you. Shittin' on the little man!.

When they can do something that EVERY OTHER COUNTRY could not do and get away with. That is the definition of TOO MUCH POWER.

CTR640 · 05-24-12 at 08:22 AM

This really sucks.
I always wanted to go to US but now I hate US.
Their government is absolutely crap and why FBI breaching his privacy???
Curse that country.

voodu · 05-24-12 at 01:48 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Pauz

I am offended by that statement.
1. I am a US citizen, but I do not support these practices.
2. I do vote, and every politician out there is crap, they say one thing on election day and do something else after elected.
3. I don't have a choice to pay taxes, the government gets there money before I do.

All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.

**nekkron** · 05-25-12 at 02:08 AM

When you aren't from somewhere, it's easy to have opposite views. It's the most common saying probably in history;

Quote: Originally Posted by Humanity

Only in America

Damn we got government issues, even a leader who told us the public we don't have a decision despite polls being forced. America is a business, no other nation can say that like the Ol' US of A.

Your government has an estimated wealth of $40,745,003,211,600 (each US resident is allegedly worth ~$131,000 in stock). That's supposed to be something like 33% of global wealth. With that wealth, it's not hard to shape the world over. Petty things of power, dominance and fear is what drives business in America, it's not how you should be represented.

05-23-12 at 04:31 PM	#15
ktwister Novice Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 156	Quote: Originally Posted by Pauz I am offended by that statement. 1. I am a US citizen, but I do not support these practices. 2. I do vote, and every politician out there is crap, they say one thing on election day and do something else after elected. 3. I don't have a choice to pay taxes, the government gets there money before I do. In essence, what I got out of what voodu was saying wasn't anything offensive. He seemed to be speaking more in the light of what Henry David Thoreau is talking about in 'Civil Disobedience' regarding how government works and how to disassemble a faulty one. Also Ron Paul seemed like he had alot of interesting things to say and stood by his word on shutting down a lot of texas big business shadiness in the past. Yet, he is pretty much shut out of the race so you are once again presented with the problem of choosing between the greater evils. It seems the voting process is more skewed than the judicial system. Everyone has the choice to pay taxes, and if the government is getting your money before you than I would go off the grid because that seems alot like indentured servitude or slavery to me. No offense.

05-23-12 at 06:51 PM	#16
BeatlesFan02 Newcomer Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 11	Here are a couple of points I would like to make known. Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order, and everything becomes chaos. - The Joker That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these States; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. - The United States Declaration of Independence

05-23-12 at 07:08 PM	#17
dannie9 Expert Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 640	they saw they were gonna lose so they did the only thing they could

05-23-12 at 07:19 PM	#18
yeldarbn Derpity Derp Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Perth, Australia Posts: 344	Quote: Originally Posted by dannie9 they saw they were gonna lose so they did the only thing they could That sounds suspiciously like an attempt to justify, Or, At least, Rationalise the behaviour of the FBI, And, By extension, The US government. Make no mistake: There is NO excuse for this behaviour. If they realised that they were going to lose the trial, Then they should have tried to negotiate a deal, Or concede - Like any other human being, Instead of using underhanded tactics like stealing evidence, In an effort to undermine Kim's ability to mount a case, And then proceed to HIDE behind the bureau's power. It's time for a bit of:

05-23-12 at 09:56 PM	#19
whitewolfgs Novice Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 148	As a U.S. citizen, I feel that we as a nation are on a slippery slope towards fascism, and no one will see it coming. And by "no one," I mean the general (stupid) public.

05-23-12 at 11:18 PM	#20
yeldarbn Derpity Derp Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Perth, Australia Posts: 344	A list of things the U.S. government SHOULD be worrying about, And dealing with, Instead of this: 1. Deficit spending. 2. The nation's credit rating. 3. The advancement of science and technology. 4. Related to point 3, Space travel and the colonisation of other planets. 5. The failure of the United Nations, After the 'Syria Debacle'. 6. The development of nuclear weapons in Iran. 7. International relations, And their standing with other developed and, For that matter, Undeveloped nations. 8. The ridiculous myriad of law suits between and against technology companies i.e. Samsung, Microsoft, Google, Apple etc. 9. Humanitarian efforts to and for undeveloped nations. 10. Peace and harmony, Without the enforcement of 'power' and, In relation to this, The seperation of church, Police, Military and state. (Just a few things off the top of my head)

05-24-12 at 12:21 AM	#21
SteveJones7 Too sexy for this board Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: teh earth Posts: 1,541	What gets me, is the fact, the ENTIRE world is pissed off at america right now, and they KEEP increasing the things that piss people off. Any normal countries government would be trying to repair the damage, but not USA, they just keep digging the hole deeper. Well mark my words, their time as dictators is limited. When a government goes down this road, its the beginning of the end. Im sure Nazi germany thought it was going to be one big success story, and look at how that turned out, they still feel the shame of their actions. p.s And yes, the godwin award candidate speaks again lol

05-24-12 at 02:52 AM	#22
nekkron Apprentice Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 406	Quote: Originally Posted by BeatlesFan02 Finally! Someone else sees my point of view: The American government has way too much power! I don't see it so much as too much power, just their plain ignorance. Don't get me wrong, the technology that consumers are accustomed to are nothing compared to what government agencies have at their disposal; it's the lack of care, they don't care. If you want to complain about it, they'll just rid of you. Shittin' on the little man! The FBI surprisingly is just a smaller body in a rather big sea of agencies. They don't have nearly enough access to information, training or technology as others. They still have people to answer to, rules to obide by it just so happens that their actions violate conditions for credible information and sourcing of information, it may not work out that way in the courts.

05-24-12 at 04:20 AM	#23
hockeynut202 Newcomer Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 22	People saying "Kim dotcom should sue them" you cannot sue in New Zealand but he could most likely lay a complaint or file for some other charges or just get some other country involved that would support him 100% and watch the NZ government crumble. I'd love to see that smug look of John Key's (our Prime Minister) face gone.

05-24-12 at 06:35 AM	#24
lazzyie Hopelessly Lost Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,210	It is not that american citizens do not care it is like trying to stop an avalanche with a shovel and a helmet. Some asshats pushed the snowball down the hill too long ago and it has gotten to so large of a size to stop, people don't have good choices in candidates to actually pick someone that wants real change so they grasp onto the first person whom claims "change" just to watch him get pushed aside by the status quo. Like usual we have no control over what our government does, people continue to wake up more and more in America to the bullshit that our government feeds us and hopefully that will help change things as the older population that votes just on party lines dies off. Unfortunately "We the People" did not keep an eye on our government as close as we should have and forgot the famous quote by one of our founders: “There are two ways to conquer and enslave a country. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.” ― John Adams

05-24-12 at 08:17 AM	#25
Omega_Prime Autobot Supreme Commander Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,562	Quote: Originally Posted by nekkron I don't see it so much as too much power, just their plain ignorance. Don't get me wrong, the technology that consumers are accustomed to are nothing compared to what government agencies have at their disposal; it's the lack of care, they don't care. If you want to complain about it, they'll just rid of you. Shittin' on the little man!. When they can do something that EVERY OTHER COUNTRY could not do and get away with. That is the definition of TOO MUCH POWER.

05-24-12 at 08:22 AM	#26
CTR640 Newcomer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 17	This really sucks. I always wanted to go to US but now I hate US. Their government is absolutely crap and why FBI breaching his privacy??? Curse that country.

05-24-12 at 01:48 PM	#27
voodu Apprentice Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 317	Quote: Originally Posted by Pauz I am offended by that statement. 1. I am a US citizen, but I do not support these practices. 2. I do vote, and every politician out there is crap, they say one thing on election day and do something else after elected. 3. I don't have a choice to pay taxes, the government gets there money before I do. All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.

05-25-12 at 02:08 AM	#28
nekkron Apprentice Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 406	When you aren't from somewhere, it's easy to have opposite views. It's the most common saying probably in history; Quote: Originally Posted by Humanity Only in America Damn we got government issues, even a leader who told us the public we don't have a decision despite polls being forced. America is a business, no other nation can say that like the Ol' US of A. Your government has an estimated wealth of $40,745,003,211,600 (each US resident is allegedly worth ~$131,000 in stock). That's supposed to be something like 33% of global wealth. With that wealth, it's not hard to shape the world over. Petty things of power, dominance and fear is what drives business in America, it's not how you should be represented.