Microsoft Leaks Details Xbox 720

Loora · 06-18-12 at 01:10 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by jjesso1993

Biggest load of rubbish I've read today. For last 18-24 months developers exclusive studios from MS have been busy making games for ''next gen console'' as shown in there job advertisement on there site.

You do realize that you do not need the new hardware to develop for a new console ? Devkits are usually sent out approx. 6 months prior to launch to most developers. 1st party studios and technology (middleware) companies receive early hardware revisions (often in the form of a pc "addon card/box") a little bit earlier than that but for the most part of the early development cycle you develop for pc using more or less finalized specs for the new hardware. And when you do get the 1st devkits you port everything over, pray that you do not run into development problems and can get it done in time for the console launch.

Use a little common sense instead of heresay and wishfull (fanboyish) thinking. Documents like the one referenced here are always treated highly confidential and are almost always signed and/or encrypted.

Anyway, believe what you want to believe. I am not forcing you to agree with me.

Just think about one small thing: Why on earth, considering current and predicted sales, would Microsoft (or Sony) want to release new hardware anytime soon ? There is absolutely no reason to do so and it makes no sense at all to release new hardware when your sales of the current model are as good as they are for the 360.

RabidPlatypus · 06-18-12 at 10:45 AM

This is 100% fake. The next xbox will not be named xbox 720. There is no "360" naming scheme. Xbox 720 has nothing to do with being named xbox 360 currently. Its just bad business to be calling it that, and they definitely wouldn't do it internally.

EDIT: It could be an internal "brainstorming" document, but definitely isn't any solid plan or implementation.

Smartie36 · 06-18-12 at 11:35 AM

Consoles need a major upgrade, then perhaps pc games wouldn't be so crippled when a title is released on multiple platfforms! Take bf3 on the pc for instance, totally ruined by small crappy maps because the console versions couldn't handle large maps & ea couldn't be bothered to give the pc version anything different compared to the consoles.

Jedi · 06-22-12 at 08:25 AM

i hope its going to flop royally

Devspar_Zero · 06-22-12 at 07:16 PM

As long as they got Dynasty Warriors Gundam on it, I'm going to buy the console...

bushleaguer · 06-24-12 at 11:26 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Loora

This is fake. The next xbox is far from finished (same as ps4 or whatever) and it will not be released before the holiday season 2014 (!), PS4 will follow summer 2015.

The only info that has been released to very few selected developers (mostly middleware developers) so far is performance related and only contains rough minimum figures of what the hardware is capable of. Even developers like Epic or Crytek do not have exact performance figures at this point, much less complete specs.

The releases might actually see some delays depending on how well 360/ps3 are doing at the time and the next xbox will cost a hell of a lot more than $299. The question here is wether M$ can get the initial price below the magic $400 barrier or if they'll go the Sony route for their first year and make a premium model that is priced at probably $699 or even $799.

The next playstation will probably cost $999 at launch.

I don't see them keeping the entry price at $299 at launch. That said, they should have learned from the lack of sales of the 360/PS3 when they were asking $400-500 a few years after release. A lot of people stuck with what they had and, from what I've read, most didn't upgrade to the current systems until 4-5 years after they were released. There's no way they are going to price a new platform at $999 - nobody would buy it.

As far as DRM goes, they would be making a major mistake in going that route and trying to phase out the used games market. They are assuming that everyone has full access to the internet and thus people can have an online account and access their games library via Microsoft's/Sony's cloud service. They are wrong.

**Omega_Prime** · 06-24-12 at 11:40 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by RabidPlatypus

This is 100% fake. The next xbox will not be named xbox 720. There is no "360" naming scheme. Xbox 720 has nothing to do with being named xbox 360 currently. Its just bad business to be calling it that, and they definitely wouldn't do it internally.

EDIT: It could be an internal "brainstorming" document, but definitely isn't any solid plan or implementation.

Obviously it is a brainstorming document but I think that because Microsoft want it taken down kinda shows it is not a fake. Anyway, just because framework to the next gen isn't about production, doesn't make it not official or relevant.

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jjesso1993 · 06-24-12 at 01:22 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Loora

You do realize that you do not need the new hardware to develop for a new console ? Devkits are usually sent out approx. 6 months prior to launch to most developers. 1st party studios and technology (middleware) companies receive early hardware revisions (often in the form of a pc "addon card/box") a little bit earlier than that but for the most part of the early development cycle you develop for pc using more or less finalized specs for the new hardware. And when you do get the 1st devkits you port everything over, pray that you do not run into development problems and can get it done in time for the console launch.

Use a little common sense instead of heresay and wishfull (fanboyish) thinking. Documents like the one referenced here are always treated highly confidential and are almost always signed and/or encrypted.

Anyway, believe what you want to believe. I am not forcing you to agree with me.

Just think about one small thing: Why on earth, considering current and predicted sales, would Microsoft (or Sony) want to release new hardware anytime soon ? There is absolutely no reason to do so and it makes no sense at all to release new hardware when your sales of the current model are as good as they are for the 360.

Yes that is correct. However development for launch titles bar a few do not last very long, as it's very rare for third party developers to pump to much money into development due to the risk factor of potentially funding a platform that could be dead in years time.

look previous consoles. PS2 sales where still selling very strongly, in most cases console are doing strongly when new one is about to come out. As what you've got to remember is the ones driving sales now are not the ones who drove the sales at the start those ones (ones who waited in line at up at launch) are ready for new consoles. The ones buying console now are ones in most cases who have waited rather than rushed to stores. Secondly It's only smart to rely on strong business to support and gradually move to fully support your next platform.

Use your common sense and look at the past. Leaks in gaming industry happen all the time hell look more broadly at tech industry and well there is leaks all the time.

I will ask you again what do you think those 60% developers are going to develop games for ? After 2013 you've got smaller studios from the third parties developing games for console just like for Ps2.

Now the other thing is the reason MS have claimed to take the document down. There claim was based on copy right then there diversion from the normal comment

Quote:

“Today, there has never been a better time to own an Xbox 360 console. We have found new ways to extend the console lifecycle by introducing controller-free experiences with Kinect and we’ve re-invented the console with a new dashboard and new entertainment content partnerships. We are continually thinking about the future of the platform and when we have something to share, we will.”

Now yes your right on one thing this is assumptions, however based on past events and obvious things that lead to the obvious assumptions. So far everything points to document being real and next gen starting in 2013/2014.

Now finally I would like outline that in most cases as shown directly in the document that things will change this is no doubt a very rough document with price estimate and technical details nearly certain have changed by now.

Loora · 06-25-12 at 01:30 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by jjesso1993

Now the other thing is the reason MS have claimed to take the document down. There claim was based on copy right then there diversion from the normal comment

It wasn't based on content, it was based on trademark violations ("xbox", "xbox 360", "kinect" etc.).

Try to fabricate some fancy document using a bunch of Microsoft trademarks, expose it to the press and see how quickly Microsofts lawyers are demanding takedowns to protect their brands.

This is anything but confirmation of the legitimacy of the content of this document. All this goes to show is that Microsoft still very actively protects it's current gen brands/trademarks which could very well be seen in a very diffrent light - meaning that a new console is much further away than we'd like to hope.

If these brands were old and not in active marketing anymore they probably wouldn't care and feed the press the usual "no comment" crap.

I really don't get why ppl are so crazy about this crap and almost in total denial about it beeing fake. This is mind blowing really. Especially because it's not even a "good" fabrication .... oh well.

Try fabricating a technical document about Porsche using Ferrari engines for all future models, then feed it to 3rd tier automobile press and see how long it takes for Porsche and Ferrari to demand takedowns from whoever is offering the document for reading/downloading. The you go ahead and claim these takedowns are "proof" that Porsche is indeed going to use Ferrari engines ....... then claim that, since Ferrari is owned by Fiat, Porsche *could* also be using Fiat engines and call it a "legit" brainstorming document.

You get my drift, yes ?

jjesso1993 · 06-25-12 at 02:05 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Loora

It wasn't based on content, it was based on trademark violations ("xbox", "xbox 360", "kinect" etc.).

Try to fabricate some fancy document using a bunch of Microsoft trademarks, expose it to the press and see how quickly Microsofts lawyers are demanding takedowns to protect their brands.

This is anything but confirmation of the legitimacy of the content of this document. All this goes to show is that Microsoft still very actively protects it's current gen brands/trademarks which could very well be seen in a very diffrent light - meaning that a new console is much further away than we'd like to hope.

If these brands were old and not in active marketing anymore they probably wouldn't care and feed the press the usual "no comment" crap.

I really don't get why ppl are so crazy about this crap and almost in total denial about it beeing fake. This is mind blowing really. Especially because it's not even a "good" fabrication .... oh well.

Try fabricating a technical document about Porsche using Ferrari engines for all future models, then feed it to 3rd tier automobile press and see how long it takes for Porsche and Ferrari to demand takedowns from whoever is offering the document for reading/downloading. The you go ahead and claim these takedowns are "proof" that Porsche is indeed going to use Ferrari engines ....... then claim that, since Ferrari is owned by Fiat, Porsche *could* also be using Fiat engines and call it a "legit" brainstorming document.

You get my drift, yes ?

Because most people are not blinded and clearly see that no one will sit there and make a 52 page document, like the one question. MS would never waste there time with lawyers if somthing like this was fake It would be pointless, and in the industry it never happens. You clearly don't follow the tech industry very well. Just look at the last 'supposed' leaks in for the ps4 and Xbox 720 the that happen to not get taken down, all would break some form copy right just like this document does.

Now a love how you focus on only one point of my comment.

I will resurrect this thread when the next xbox is annouced to come out next year........... Like all the evidence suggests.

06-18-12 at 10:45 AM	#16
RabidPlatypus Newcomer Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 16	This is 100% fake. The next xbox will not be named xbox 720. There is no "360" naming scheme. Xbox 720 has nothing to do with being named xbox 360 currently. Its just bad business to be calling it that, and they definitely wouldn't do it internally. EDIT: It could be an internal "brainstorming" document, but definitely isn't any solid plan or implementation. Last edited by RabidPlatypus; 06-18-12 at 10:48 AM.

06-24-12 at 01:22 PM	#23
jjesso1993 Apprentice Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 387	Quote: Originally Posted by Loora You do realize that you do not need the new hardware to develop for a new console ? Devkits are usually sent out approx. 6 months prior to launch to most developers. 1st party studios and technology (middleware) companies receive early hardware revisions (often in the form of a pc "addon card/box") a little bit earlier than that but for the most part of the early development cycle you develop for pc using more or less finalized specs for the new hardware. And when you do get the 1st devkits you port everything over, pray that you do not run into development problems and can get it done in time for the console launch. Use a little common sense instead of heresay and wishfull (fanboyish) thinking. Documents like the one referenced here are always treated highly confidential and are almost always signed and/or encrypted. Anyway, believe what you want to believe. I am not forcing you to agree with me. Just think about one small thing: Why on earth, considering current and predicted sales, would Microsoft (or Sony) want to release new hardware anytime soon ? There is absolutely no reason to do so and it makes no sense at all to release new hardware when your sales of the current model are as good as they are for the 360. Yes that is correct. However development for launch titles bar a few do not last very long, as it's very rare for third party developers to pump to much money into development due to the risk factor of potentially funding a platform that could be dead in years time. look previous consoles. PS2 sales where still selling very strongly, in most cases console are doing strongly when new one is about to come out. As what you've got to remember is the ones driving sales now are not the ones who drove the sales at the start those ones (ones who waited in line at up at launch) are ready for new consoles. The ones buying console now are ones in most cases who have waited rather than rushed to stores. Secondly It's only smart to rely on strong business to support and gradually move to fully support your next platform. Use your common sense and look at the past. Leaks in gaming industry happen all the time hell look more broadly at tech industry and well there is leaks all the time. I will ask you again what do you think those 60% developers are going to develop games for ? After 2013 you've got smaller studios from the third parties developing games for console just like for Ps2. Now the other thing is the reason MS have claimed to take the document down. There claim was based on copy right then there diversion from the normal comment Quote: “Today, there has never been a better time to own an Xbox 360 console. We have found new ways to extend the console lifecycle by introducing controller-free experiences with Kinect and we’ve re-invented the console with a new dashboard and new entertainment content partnerships. We are continually thinking about the future of the platform and when we have something to share, we will.” Now yes your right on one thing this is assumptions, however based on past events and obvious things that lead to the obvious assumptions. So far everything points to document being real and next gen starting in 2013/2014. Now finally I would like outline that in most cases as shown directly in the document that things will change this is no doubt a very rough document with price estimate and technical details nearly certain have changed by now. Last edited by jjesso1993; 06-24-12 at 03:06 PM.

06-25-12 at 02:05 AM	#25
jjesso1993 Apprentice Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 387	Quote: Originally Posted by Loora It wasn't based on content, it was based on trademark violations ("xbox", "xbox 360", "kinect" etc.). Try to fabricate some fancy document using a bunch of Microsoft trademarks, expose it to the press and see how quickly Microsofts lawyers are demanding takedowns to protect their brands. This is anything but confirmation of the legitimacy of the content of this document. All this goes to show is that Microsoft still very actively protects it's current gen brands/trademarks which could very well be seen in a very diffrent light - meaning that a new console is much further away than we'd like to hope. If these brands were old and not in active marketing anymore they probably wouldn't care and feed the press the usual "no comment" crap. I really don't get why ppl are so crazy about this crap and almost in total denial about it beeing fake. This is mind blowing really. Especially because it's not even a "good" fabrication .... oh well. Try fabricating a technical document about Porsche using Ferrari engines for all future models, then feed it to 3rd tier automobile press and see how long it takes for Porsche and Ferrari to demand takedowns from whoever is offering the document for reading/downloading. The you go ahead and claim these takedowns are "proof" that Porsche is indeed going to use Ferrari engines ....... then claim that, since Ferrari is owned by Fiat, Porsche could also be using Fiat engines and call it a "legit" brainstorming document. You get my drift, yes ? Because most people are not blinded and clearly see that no one will sit there and make a 52 page document, like the one question. MS would never waste there time with lawyers if somthing like this was fake It would be pointless, and in the industry it never happens. You clearly don't follow the tech industry very well. Just look at the last 'supposed' leaks in for the ps4 and Xbox 720 the that happen to not get taken down, all would break some form copy right just like this document does. Now a love how you focus on only one point of my comment. I will resurrect this thread when the next xbox is annouced to come out next year........... Like all the evidence suggests. Last edited by jjesso1993; 06-25-12 at 02:13 AM.

06-18-12 at 01:10 AM	#15
Loora Apprentice Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 485	Quote: Originally Posted by jjesso1993 Biggest load of rubbish I've read today. For last 18-24 months developers exclusive studios from MS have been busy making games for ''next gen console'' as shown in there job advertisement on there site. You do realize that you do not need the new hardware to develop for a new console ? Devkits are usually sent out approx. 6 months prior to launch to most developers. 1st party studios and technology (middleware) companies receive early hardware revisions (often in the form of a pc "addon card/box") a little bit earlier than that but for the most part of the early development cycle you develop for pc using more or less finalized specs for the new hardware. And when you do get the 1st devkits you port everything over, pray that you do not run into development problems and can get it done in time for the console launch. Use a little common sense instead of heresay and wishfull (fanboyish) thinking. Documents like the one referenced here are always treated highly confidential and are almost always signed and/or encrypted. Anyway, believe what you want to believe. I am not forcing you to agree with me. Just think about one small thing: Why on earth, considering current and predicted sales, would Microsoft (or Sony) want to release new hardware anytime soon ? There is absolutely no reason to do so and it makes no sense at all to release new hardware when your sales of the current model are as good as they are for the 360.

06-18-12 at 11:35 AM	#17
Smartie36 Novice Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 122	Consoles need a major upgrade, then perhaps pc games wouldn't be so crippled when a title is released on multiple platfforms! Take bf3 on the pc for instance, totally ruined by small crappy maps because the console versions couldn't handle large maps & ea couldn't be bothered to give the pc version anything different compared to the consoles.

06-22-12 at 08:25 AM	#18
Jedi Master Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Dagobah Posts: 1,127	i hope its going to flop royally

06-22-12 at 07:16 PM	#19
Devspar_Zero Novice Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 171	As long as they got Dynasty Warriors Gundam on it, I'm going to buy the console...

06-24-12 at 11:26 AM	#20
bushleaguer Apprentice Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 490	Quote: Originally Posted by Loora This is fake. The next xbox is far from finished (same as ps4 or whatever) and it will not be released before the holiday season 2014 (!), PS4 will follow summer 2015. The only info that has been released to very few selected developers (mostly middleware developers) so far is performance related and only contains rough minimum figures of what the hardware is capable of. Even developers like Epic or Crytek do not have exact performance figures at this point, much less complete specs. The releases might actually see some delays depending on how well 360/ps3 are doing at the time and the next xbox will cost a hell of a lot more than $299. The question here is wether M$ can get the initial price below the magic $400 barrier or if they'll go the Sony route for their first year and make a premium model that is priced at probably $699 or even $799. The next playstation will probably cost $999 at launch. I don't see them keeping the entry price at $299 at launch. That said, they should have learned from the lack of sales of the 360/PS3 when they were asking $400-500 a few years after release. A lot of people stuck with what they had and, from what I've read, most didn't upgrade to the current systems until 4-5 years after they were released. There's no way they are going to price a new platform at $999 - nobody would buy it. As far as DRM goes, they would be making a major mistake in going that route and trying to phase out the used games market. They are assuming that everyone has full access to the internet and thus people can have an online account and access their games library via Microsoft's/Sony's cloud service. They are wrong.

06-24-12 at 11:40 AM	#21
Omega_Prime Autobot Supreme Commander Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,603	Quote: Originally Posted by RabidPlatypus This is 100% fake. The next xbox will not be named xbox 720. There is no "360" naming scheme. Xbox 720 has nothing to do with being named xbox 360 currently. Its just bad business to be calling it that, and they definitely wouldn't do it internally. EDIT: It could be an internal "brainstorming" document, but definitely isn't any solid plan or implementation. Obviously it is a brainstorming document but I think that because Microsoft want it taken down kinda shows it is not a fake. Anyway, just because framework to the next gen isn't about production, doesn't make it not official or relevant.

06-25-12 at 01:30 AM	#24
Loora Apprentice Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 485	Quote: Originally Posted by jjesso1993 Now the other thing is the reason MS have claimed to take the document down. There claim was based on copy right then there diversion from the normal comment It wasn't based on content, it was based on trademark violations ("xbox", "xbox 360", "kinect" etc.). Try to fabricate some fancy document using a bunch of Microsoft trademarks, expose it to the press and see how quickly Microsofts lawyers are demanding takedowns to protect their brands. This is anything but confirmation of the legitimacy of the content of this document. All this goes to show is that Microsoft still very actively protects it's current gen brands/trademarks which could very well be seen in a very diffrent light - meaning that a new console is much further away than we'd like to hope. If these brands were old and not in active marketing anymore they probably wouldn't care and feed the press the usual "no comment" crap. I really don't get why ppl are so crazy about this crap and almost in total denial about it beeing fake. This is mind blowing really. Especially because it's not even a "good" fabrication .... oh well. Try fabricating a technical document about Porsche using Ferrari engines for all future models, then feed it to 3rd tier automobile press and see how long it takes for Porsche and Ferrari to demand takedowns from whoever is offering the document for reading/downloading. The you go ahead and claim these takedowns are "proof" that Porsche is indeed going to use Ferrari engines ....... then claim that, since Ferrari is owned by Fiat, Porsche could also be using Fiat engines and call it a "legit" brainstorming document. You get my drift, yes ?