Old 07-16-12 at 07:47 PM   #1
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http://buzzmachine.com/2012/07/05/verizon-thinks-net-newspaper/
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Verizon makes its arguments against the FCC’s net neutrality rules — and they are fraught with danger.

Verizon sees the net as its newspaper and believes it has First Amendment rights to control what goes on the net. This is why Doc Searls has taught me that it is dangerous to see the net as a medium. No, the net is a network and Verizon only offers access to it.

But there’s the next argument: Verizon says the net is its private property and so it makes a Fifth Amendment claim that imposing restrictions on its ability to impose restrictions on the net is like confiscating property without compensation.

Danger, danger!

The First Amendment argument is absurd on its face. Does Verizon really want to be responsible for everything distributed on the net, including libel, theft, and other illegal behavior? I doubt it. Verizon is no publisher.

The Fifth Amendment argument is a corner we’ve painted ourselves into by finding ourself dependent on a public good privately owned. But just as we make restrictions on private property — I can’t build a gas station on my house; I have to give access to public utility workers — so must we here.

We need a SOPA/PIPA/ACTA-level fight for net neutrality, for not allowing Verizon et al to mess with the net. We need a principle: First, do no harm. You might want to at least start here, by signing the Declaration of Internet Freedom.
http://govinthelab.com/freedom-of-speech-is-under-attack-in-the-united-states/
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Update: After consulting with several lawyers and journalist we are sure that it is okay to post the original article as it was entirely based upon Verizon’s own comments. While they may prefer that their image is not tarnished their best pathway to doing so is to be open and honest with the American people.

As you know, Government in The Lab is focused on helping bridge the divide between citizens, politicians, and governments, focused on human rights, politics, and government. We share original content and syndicate from other sources.

It was with a great deal of surprise that today, after syndicating an article from AllGov about Verizon’s efforts to edit the internet, that I received a call from Verizon. 20 minutes after the article was published I received a threatening call on my phone stating that legal action would follow if I did not immediately take the article down.

Yes, the irony was clear. Verizon was threatening to edit the internet if I did not take down my article about their efforts to edit the internet….

The article was accurate, the information true, but I decided to take the article down, express my outrage on twitter, and move on. On twitter I noted the irony in several post, including:

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John Moore @JohnFMoore
I posted artcl stating @Verizon wanted to censor internet. 20 Minutes later I get phone call threatening legal action if I don't take down

John Moore @JohnFMoore
Does anyone see irony? @Verizon will take me to court for article stating they wanted to control what is on internet.. Interesting...

John Moore @JohnFMoore
Now @Verizon called me back and said to take the #tweets down. I asked if he was trheatening my freedom of speech, he hung up
Yes, they actually called me back and told me to take down my tweets, once again or they would bring legal action.

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John Moore @JohnFMoore
Disappointed that @Verizon wants me to keep quiet. Are we living in a police state. @Verizon, you owe me, and the internet, an apology
Yes, I have saved off the threatening phone calls in multiple locations but, for now, I will not publish them. I am hoping Verizon recognizes that their actions were wrong, threatening the rights of US citizens. I would have happily had a conversation about the article, heard their side of it, and written a retraction if appropriate, or at least a positive note thanking them for taking the time to discuss.

Instead, threats… I will keep you all up to date as more action unfolds.
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Old 07-16-12 at 08:15 PM   #2
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Wow, I don't even know what to say about this...
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Old 07-16-12 at 08:20 PM   #3
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If you have been following the net neutrality fight you would know what their ulterior motive would be.

They want to create a tier system that would allow them to charge different monthly rates depending on what web sites you wish to visit.
In other words if you use Google, Youtube or Hulu these sites would be in the premium services and they would charge you more to access these sites.

Their theory behind this?
These sites generate more bandwidth then other sites which aren't as popular or don't offer videos.
But where would they draw the line?
Maybe something like text only sites would be their basic service?
If the site has pictures you would need to buy the middle of the road service.
And to access those popular sites you will need to purchase their premium service.

And then there is the questions about what they consider censorship.
Just by reading the article you can see Verizon's approach to something they don't like.
"WE WILL SUE YOU!"
Guess they don't like any freedom of speech.

And here is the scariest part of the story.
They are pushing for this censorship and you can be assured that all the other ISP's will be lined up right behind Verizon to set up the same tier system. Just because you don't have Verizon doesn't mean this won't affect you.
In other words.... Higher rates for services on the Internet that we already have access to.
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Old 07-16-12 at 09:24 PM   #4
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Ahhh, greed, one of man's oldest vice... still going strong these days...
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Old 07-16-12 at 09:31 PM   #5
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i would think that the government and the army own the internet since they created and put resources into it, and since 1995 bill clinton gave and spread it to private so the public could have access to it...
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Old 07-16-12 at 09:38 PM   #6
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After reading this, I sure as hell appreciate my country's recent implementation of Net Neutrality. I know where you US folks are coming from, as KPN (one of the biggest telco monopolists in my country) was combatting this NN moderation aswell. And luckily the consumer eventually won (with the help of Bits of Freedom not to forget).

Holland:
-Second country world wide connected to the internet (after the US).
-Second country world wide with net neutrality laws (after Chile).
And worth to note, with both first of the EU. And I hope more will follow soon with adapting Net Neutrality.

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Old 07-16-12 at 10:59 PM   #7
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Well If people are stupid and give their money to Verizon internet service, if they implemented this, then simply stop giving them your money. The sad thing is if Verizon were the only option. I see greed every damn single where. Its sad. I was looking at comcast internet prices, and I'm like $29.99, not bad. Oh, but that's only for the first 6 months. WTF? Then the price goes up. Att too I guess.
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Old 07-17-12 at 09:49 AM   #8
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Makes me sick...
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Old 07-17-12 at 10:46 PM   #9
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pure bastards! nuke em!
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Old 07-17-12 at 11:18 PM   #10
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Quote: Originally Posted by L1b3rta View Post
After reading this, I sure as hell appreciate my country's recent implementation of Net Neutrality. I know where you US folks are coming from, as KPN (one of the biggest telco monopolists in my country) was combatting this NN moderation aswell. And luckily the consumer eventually won (with the help of Bits of Freedom not to forget).

Holland:
-Second country world wide connected to the internet (after the US).
-Second country world wide with net neutrality laws (after Chile).
And worth to note, with both first of the EU. And I hope more will follow soon with adapting Net Neutrality.
I want to move to Holland. I was in Canada until they became less humanitarian and more capitalistic.

The best way to fight greed is not to give the enemy money
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Old 07-18-12 at 05:55 PM   #11
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Seriously!
I'm going to drop their services if they keep this up.
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Old 07-19-12 at 12:46 AM   #12
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More corrupt meglomaniacal big boys, that need to be put out of business asap.

Verizon have a very dodgy history, and should not be used by anyone.
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Old 07-25-12 at 06:13 AM   #13
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There used to be a software developing company called Genuity that... well what do you know developed software for big companies(probably cant say what). One day the big wigs decide to branch off into two companies and Genuity received ALL the debt from both parties. One day they had to close the doors. that other company was verizon. I searched all over the world for this link.
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/26/business/genuity-faces-bankruptcy-as-verizon-ignores-an-option.html
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Old 07-27-12 at 11:50 AM   #14
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Lol. Corporatism at it's highest levels.
I'm glad I live in Europe. (Ok, there is also corporatism here, but capitalism makes it too easy.)
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