What would you guys do ?

Notorious_dog · 06-20-12 at 03:11 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by mirrow

zl?
zloti right, you must be Polish hah

Yea...
& its "Zloty" or more correctly: "Złoty"

**SSRCharlieB** · 06-20-12 at 03:14 PM

This isn't about someone else, what they might do isn't pertinent. Don't determine what you will do by asking such a question, this is about you. It is about YOUR personal moral standards.

If someone gives you too much change back at a cash register, do you give them the extra back? If you do, then you already know the answer to your issue.

Not to be a hypocrite, I have knowingly done things that I knew were wrong/against Society's rules, etc. I lived with it or I corrected it if possible. The next time I am downloading a piece of software that I haven't paid for I will be doing it again.

Can you live with it? If you want to do it, and you can live with it, then do it.

However, coming here to seek absolution (asking others what they would do) for your "sin" is B()!!$H!T. There are always going to be those that will back you up if you want to screw the other guy. They have no morality, or their morality allows them to get ahead at the expense of others, or they have done these things themselves and they want company in their "misery". For them to tell you that it is okay is meaningless B()!!$H!T. For you to justify your own actions by those of others is more B()!!$H!T.

"Everybody else was doing it, so I thought it was okay."

B()!!$H!T !!!

Did you post here to have some others to tell you that it was okay so that you could have help convincing yourself that it was? If you consider yourself an honest person, and if you answered my "Cash Register Question" in the affirmative, then you should contact them and tell them that they sent you two mice by mistake. Tell them that you will send one of them back if they pay for the return postge and handling charges.

As it was suggested earlier, they may tell you to keep it with their compliments.

But there is no question as to what is the right thing to do. We always know what the right thing to do is in a case like this.

You knew the answer to that one before you ever started this thread.

Charlie

jjesso1993 · 06-20-12 at 03:50 PM

I was more asking what others would do as opposed for people to make my mind up for me. I would not say any answers have influenced my decision on the matter. As said on other page I probably going to what intended to do and wait it out. I fully understand keeping it and then profiting is immoral, and committing on the sin comment well that would start a debate that is not allowed this forum. Lets just say I'm a atheist.

**mirrow** · 06-20-12 at 04:05 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Notorious_dog

Yea...
& its "Zloty" or more correctly: "Złoty"

Sorry I hurt your feelings

Notorious_dog · 06-20-12 at 04:24 PM

its ok... ill..

.. handle it. honest its alright.

Gotta say man, some wise words up there by SSRCharlieB.

Maaaaybe the op wanted to keep the 2nd mouse from the start, but wanted to check and see if anyone knew of any circumstances where he may get into trouble for it? who knows... he could also just not have his mind made up?

jjesso1993 · 06-20-12 at 04:40 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Notorious_dog

its ok... ill..

.. handle it. honest its alright.

Gotta say man, some wise words up there by SSRCharlieB.

Maaaaybe the op wanted to keep the 2nd mouse from the start, but wanted to check and see if anyone knew of any circumstances where he may get into trouble for it? who knows... he could also just not have his mind made up?

As said above I mostly had decided that I would wait and see if that contact me. I was just curious what other people do this situation. I doubt I would keep the mouse if they don't contact I will probably sell it.

**SSRCharlieB** · 06-20-12 at 08:36 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by jjesso1993

I was more asking what others would do as opposed for people to make my mind up for me. I would not say any answers have influenced my decision on the matter. As said on other page I probably going to what intended to do and wait it out. I fully understand keeping it and then profiting is immoral, and committing on the sin comment well that would start a debate that is not allowed this forum. Lets just say I'm a atheist.

I could care less if you are Christian, Muslim, Buhdist(Buddhist), agnostic, atheist or anything else. If you have no moral center you are less ... hmmmm, about to break a Rule there.

You posted your intent in an open forum, giving myself or anyone else the right to comment on the rightness or wrongness of it. It may be that you were indeed curious as to the opinions and probable actions of the other Members here, if so you have certainly received quite a few responses on this.

Your intent is wrong, IMO, in the same sense that someone dropping their wallet in your car and you pocketing the money and saying nothing is wrong (imagine the wallet is yours). You find a wedding band on the sidewalk and keep or sell it, you owe someone a dollar and accidently give them a ten, they pocket your money and say nothing.

If you come by something other than by "proper" means, then to keep it is wrong. If it isn't rightfully yours, then it isn't yours, period.

The "sin" comment had/has nothing to do with religion, the sin comment was made as a comment on morality, not religion, nor was any reference made in any way about religion.

"Sin" in this instance is defined as a thing which is morally wrong, and the word "sin" was in quotation marks, which within the context of my usage of it gives it a completely different connotation from a Religious reference to Sin.

One last point ...

If you are only a good person when someone else is watching, when you are/could be caught, when others are aware of what you are doing, then you are NOT a good person.

It is what we do when there is no other person to see or know about it that determines who we are. It is what you do when there are no negative consequences for your bad/immoral behavior that defines who you are. It is how you treat those who have no influence or power over you. It is how you treat those who are less fortunate than you. It is how you treat the helpless, the hopeless, the downtrodden that says what kind of person you are. It is what you do when you have nothing to lose or nothing to gain.

It is what you do when the clerk gives you too much change.

A man is not what he says he beleives or stands for.

A MAN IS WHAT HE DOES.

So comment away.

Charlie

P.S. jjesso1993 ... a lot of my statements are directed at this sort of thing in general, not at you personally. That is a really nice mouse, and to receive two of them in the way you did must be a MAJOR temptation. I have been faced with similar things in my life, I did well on most of them, but I fell woefully short in some instances. As I said earlier, I do not wish to be hypocritical about it, so hopefully, no hard feelings, okay?

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**xkmx** · 06-22-12 at 03:30 PM

Their mistake, your win. keep or sell it.

jukoh · 06-27-12 at 07:18 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by SSRCharlieB

One last point ...
If you are only a good person when someone else is watching, when you are/could be caught, when others are aware of what you are doing, then you are NOT a good person.

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Couldn't agree more with this statement. We should also remember that someone up there is always watching and knows what we've done. Right or wrong, we have to bear the consequences and not others.

maxax · 07-01-12 at 07:37 AM

Give it to the needy, mainly me, then you'll feel better about yourself. That was the point of your thread, right?

06-20-12 at 03:14 PM	#16
SSRCharlieB Geezer Power Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: North Carolina, Small town, USA Posts: 2,439	This isn't about someone else, what they might do isn't pertinent. Don't determine what you will do by asking such a question, this is about you. It is about YOUR personal moral standards. If someone gives you too much change back at a cash register, do you give them the extra back? If you do, then you already know the answer to your issue. Not to be a hypocrite, I have knowingly done things that I knew were wrong/against Society's rules, etc. I lived with it or I corrected it if possible. The next time I am downloading a piece of software that I haven't paid for I will be doing it again. Can you live with it? If you want to do it, and you can live with it, then do it. However, coming here to seek absolution (asking others what they would do) for your "sin" is B()!!$H!T. There are always going to be those that will back you up if you want to screw the other guy. They have no morality, or their morality allows them to get ahead at the expense of others, or they have done these things themselves and they want company in their "misery". For them to tell you that it is okay is meaningless B()!!$H!T. For you to justify your own actions by those of others is more B()!!$H!T. "Everybody else was doing it, so I thought it was okay." B()!!$H!T !!! Did you post here to have some others to tell you that it was okay so that you could have help convincing yourself that it was? If you consider yourself an honest person, and if you answered my "Cash Register Question" in the affirmative, then you should contact them and tell them that they sent you two mice by mistake. Tell them that you will send one of them back if they pay for the return postge and handling charges. As it was suggested earlier, they may tell you to keep it with their compliments. But there is no question as to what is the right thing to do. We always know what the right thing to do is in a case like this. You knew the answer to that one before you ever started this thread. Charlie Last edited by SSRCharlieB; 06-20-12 at 03:49 PM.

06-20-12 at 04:24 PM	#19
Notorious_dog Elder Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,974	its ok... ill.. .. handle it. honest its alright. Gotta say man, some wise words up there by SSRCharlieB. Maaaaybe the op wanted to keep the 2nd mouse from the start, but wanted to check and see if anyone knew of any circumstances where he may get into trouble for it? who knows... he could also just not have his mind made up? Last edited by Notorious_dog; 06-20-12 at 04:30 PM.

06-20-12 at 08:36 PM	#21
SSRCharlieB Geezer Power Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: North Carolina, Small town, USA Posts: 2,439	Quote: Originally Posted by jjesso1993 I was more asking what others would do as opposed for people to make my mind up for me. I would not say any answers have influenced my decision on the matter. As said on other page I probably going to what intended to do and wait it out. I fully understand keeping it and then profiting is immoral, and committing on the sin comment well that would start a debate that is not allowed this forum. Lets just say I'm a atheist. I could care less if you are Christian, Muslim, Buhdist(Buddhist), agnostic, atheist or anything else. If you have no moral center you are less ... hmmmm, about to break a Rule there. You posted your intent in an open forum, giving myself or anyone else the right to comment on the rightness or wrongness of it. It may be that you were indeed curious as to the opinions and probable actions of the other Members here, if so you have certainly received quite a few responses on this. Your intent is wrong, IMO, in the same sense that someone dropping their wallet in your car and you pocketing the money and saying nothing is wrong (imagine the wallet is yours). You find a wedding band on the sidewalk and keep or sell it, you owe someone a dollar and accidently give them a ten, they pocket your money and say nothing. If you come by something other than by "proper" means, then to keep it is wrong. If it isn't rightfully yours, then it isn't yours, period. The "sin" comment had/has nothing to do with religion, the sin comment was made as a comment on morality, not religion, nor was any reference made in any way about religion. "Sin" in this instance is defined as a thing which is morally wrong, and the word "sin" was in quotation marks, which within the context of my usage of it gives it a completely different connotation from a Religious reference to Sin. One last point ... If you are only a good person when someone else is watching, when you are/could be caught, when others are aware of what you are doing, then you are NOT a good person. It is what we do when there is no other person to see or know about it that determines who we are. It is what you do when there are no negative consequences for your bad/immoral behavior that defines who you are. It is how you treat those who have no influence or power over you. It is how you treat those who are less fortunate than you. It is how you treat the helpless, the hopeless, the downtrodden that says what kind of person you are. It is what you do when you have nothing to lose or nothing to gain. It is what you do when the clerk gives you too much change. A man is not what he says he beleives or stands for. A MAN IS WHAT HE DOES. So comment away. Charlie P.S. jjesso1993 ... a lot of my statements are directed at this sort of thing in general, not at you personally. That is a really nice mouse, and to receive two of them in the way you did must be a MAJOR temptation. I have been faced with similar things in my life, I did well on most of them, but I fell woefully short in some instances. As I said earlier, I do not wish to be hypocritical about it, so hopefully, no hard feelings, okay? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Last edited by SSRCharlieB; 06-21-12 at 07:03 PM. Reason: PS and grammar, spelling

06-20-12 at 03:11 PM	#15
Notorious_dog Elder Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,974	Quote: Originally Posted by mirrow zl? zloti right, you must be Polish hah Yea... & its "Zloty" or more correctly: "Złoty"

06-20-12 at 03:50 PM	#17
jjesso1993 Apprentice Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 387	I was more asking what others would do as opposed for people to make my mind up for me. I would not say any answers have influenced my decision on the matter. As said on other page I probably going to what intended to do and wait it out. I fully understand keeping it and then profiting is immoral, and committing on the sin comment well that would start a debate that is not allowed this forum. Lets just say I'm a atheist.

06-20-12 at 04:05 PM	#18
mirrow Master Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Delft, Holland Posts: 1,132	Quote: Originally Posted by Notorious_dog Yea... & its "Zloty" or more correctly: "Złoty" Sorry I hurt your feelings

06-20-12 at 04:40 PM	#20
jjesso1993 Apprentice Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 387	Quote: Originally Posted by Notorious_dog its ok... ill.. .. handle it. honest its alright. Gotta say man, some wise words up there by SSRCharlieB. Maaaaybe the op wanted to keep the 2nd mouse from the start, but wanted to check and see if anyone knew of any circumstances where he may get into trouble for it? who knows... he could also just not have his mind made up? As said above I mostly had decided that I would wait and see if that contact me. I was just curious what other people do this situation. I doubt I would keep the mouse if they don't contact I will probably sell it.

06-22-12 at 03:30 PM	#22
xkmx Expert Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 533	Their mistake, your win. keep or sell it.

06-27-12 at 07:18 AM	#23
jukoh Newcomer Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 16	Quote: Originally Posted by SSRCharlieB One last point ... If you are only a good person when someone else is watching, when you are/could be caught, when others are aware of what you are doing, then you are NOT a good person. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Couldn't agree more with this statement. We should also remember that someone up there is always watching and knows what we've done. Right or wrong, we have to bear the consequences and not others.

07-01-12 at 07:37 AM	#24
maxax Newcomer Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 95	Give it to the needy, mainly me, then you'll feel better about yourself. That was the point of your thread, right?