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Old 05-11-12 at 07:07 AM   #1
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Default Windows 8 to 'the digital dark ages'?

Microsoft returning Windows to 'the digital dark ages'?


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The biggest lawsuit in Microsoft’s history dominated the 90s, when the company battled accusations that it was stifling browser competition. Rival Netscape couldn't survive, but the Windows giant was ultimately forced to strip Internet Explorer from its operating system in a landmark ruling.

That conflict may be brewing up again.

Mozilla, the developer group behind the popular Firefox browser, argued Wednesday night that Firefox is being banned from certain versions of Windows 8, the forthcoming tablet-centric OS from Microsoft -- returning Windows users to the dark ages before competition.
“The upcoming release of Windows … and Microsoft’s browser practices regarding Windows 8 Metro signal an unwelcome return to the digital dark ages where users and developers didn’t have browser choices,” wrote Harvey Anderson, Mozilla general counsel, in a Wednesday night blog post.

A Microsoft spokesman declined FoxNews.com requests for more information. But the competition had plenty to say.
Anderson argued that Windows 8 RT -- a version of the Windows OS rewritten from the ground up to support the ARM processors powering nearly every tablet and smartphone today -- prohibits any browser but Internet Explorer from running the classic Windows desktop.
“This means that only Internet Explorer will be able to perform many of the advanced computing functions vital to modern browsers in terms of speed, stability, and security to which users have grown accustomed.”
“Given that IE can run in Windows on ARM, there is no technical reason to conclude other browsers can’t do the same,” Anderson wrote.
His words were emphatically echoed by Google, maker of the Chrome browser.
“We share the concerns Mozilla has raised regarding the Windows 8 environment restricting user choice and innovation,” a Google spokeswoman told FoxNews.com. “We've always welcomed innovation in the browser space across all platforms and strongly believe that having great competitors makes us all work harder."

"In the end, consumers and developers benefit the most from robust competition.”
The issue is how the application is written. Some Windows apps rely on the powerful Win32 APIs Microsoft has built for programmers, apps like Adobe Photoshop and Microsoft Word. They won’t run on ARM-powered Windows devices (basically any Windows tablets).
Those APIs are necessary for modern browsers, argued Mozilla spokesman Asa Dotzler -- and only Internet Explorer will have access.
“Without that access, no other browser has a prayer of being competitive with IE,” he wrote.
Windows on ARM, or Windows 8 RT, is clearly planned for tablets, and the forthcoming OS has been redesigned to support such devices, with a brand new touch interface called Metro. Anderson said he worries about the larger market.
"The forecast suggests ARM [chips] will move into traditional PCs and laptops," he told FoxNews.com. ARM chips are already in servers, he noted.
"Our concern is that, as ARM transitions into traditional PC and laptops, we could end up in a place where because it’s Windows RT, there’s no browser choice."



http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/05/10/microsoft-will-ban-chrome-firefox-from-windows-8-mozilla-says/
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Old 05-11-12 at 07:16 AM   #2
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I'll be sticking with windows 7 and likely passing on windows 8 all together lol it's shaping up to be another OS misstep on microsoft's part
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Old 05-11-12 at 07:27 AM   #3
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I participated in the windows 8 beta and wasn't impressed at all. I'll agree with you Tyler and stick with 7. Heck, my office computer is still running XP.
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Old 05-11-12 at 07:35 AM   #4
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I don't think Firefox has anything to worry about with Windows 8, it's looking like another fail for Microsoft, which is par for the course. They always have a terrible OS release after a successful one. Case in point. Windows 98SE=Success, Windows ME=Failure, Windows XP=Success, Windows Vista=Failure, Windows 7=Success, and Windows 8? With the terrible new start menu? I already hated Metro on the xbox 360, so it's looking like a big failure to me.
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Old 05-11-12 at 09:48 AM   #5
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XP - Great
Vista - Garbage
Win 7 - Great
Win 8 - Garbage

Windows 8 is not going to be a desktop operating system. They are trying to be Apple's competitor (Which is pointless because they hold 95% of the market) and will design Win 8 to be the same on Desktops, Phones, and Tablets. That is a terrible idea, and I am guessing a majority of individuals will skip Win 8. Can't speak for corporations or schools, they have money to waste. I am skipping it myself. The only reason I left XP is because I was forced to.
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Old 05-11-12 at 10:09 AM   #6
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Windows 7 fills my every computing need. If it ain't broke, don't fix it as they say.
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Old 05-11-12 at 10:17 AM   #7
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Every other Microsoft operating system sucks, its a law or something.

Windows 9 will be good enough after they screw up Windows 8.
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Old 05-11-12 at 11:00 AM   #8
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Does anyone remember Windows Me (millennium edition)?
They came out just before XP, and were supposed to be a combination of Windows 98SE and Windows 2000. Windows 98se was a great os for home pcs, and win 2000 for office pcs, workstations and servers. But Windows ME was crap, so, I guess the pattern of Microsoft's operating systems is noticeable. I've used Windows Me for few days then I went back to 98SE and destroyed the ME installation disc. Windows XP x86 is/was a great os, but x64 version was really problematic (bugs, problems running 32bit applications) until SP2 for xp x64 (released almost simultaneously as sp3 for x86 version).
Sorry, dmuk, I didn't noticed your post.

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Old 05-11-12 at 12:10 PM   #9
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Microsoft is becoming obsessed with control, kind of reminds me why I don't like many apple products. They are making Windows 8 for ARM devices, but probably you won't be able to install any applications, outside the Microsoft Market, or most (if any) ".exe" file.
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Old 05-11-12 at 12:17 PM   #10
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Quote: Originally Posted by CyberKingdom View Post
XP - Great
Vista - Garbage
Win 7 - Great
Win 8 - Garbage

Windows 8 is not going to be a desktop operating system. They are trying to be Apple's competitor (Which is pointless because they hold 95% of the market) and will design Win 8 to be the same on Desktops, Phones, and Tablets. That is a terrible idea, and I am guessing a majority of individuals will skip Win 8. Can't speak for corporations or schools, they have money to waste. I am skipping it myself. The only reason I left XP is because I was forced to.

Windows 3.1 = Great
Windows 95 = Crap
Windows 98 = Great
Windows ME = Crap
Windows XP = Great
Windows Vista = Crap
Windows 7 = Great
Windows 8 = Crap?
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Old 05-11-12 at 01:27 PM   #11
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Windows 3.1 = Crap
Windows 95 = Crap
Windows 98 = Crap
Windows ME = Crap
Windows XP = Crap
Windows Vista = Crap
Windows 7 = Crap
Windows 8 = Crap? Yes

Couldn't resist :P
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Old 05-11-12 at 01:49 PM   #12
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Quote: Originally Posted by Lwio View Post
Windows 3.1 = Crap
Windows 95 = Crap
Windows 98 = Crap
Windows ME = Crap
Windows XP = Crap
Windows Vista = Crap
Windows 7 = Crap
Windows 8 = Crap? Yes

Couldn't resist :P
Mac = Super Crap ;D
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Old 05-11-12 at 02:00 PM   #13
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Yes Mac equals super crap nowadays. It's a pointless platform for desktop use.

Honestly the only Windows OS that are good are XP and 7. DOS was more functional than Windows 3.1 you guys are nuts to have praised it at all, like Win95 it was terrible, so unresponsive and unintuitive compared with MacOS back in the day. However I have now fully made the transition to PC now from Mac with absolute joy and no regrets at all.
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Old 05-11-12 at 02:35 PM   #14
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Yeah, I have a friend who installed Windows 8 on his brand new Alienware m18x. And my friends and I all had a chance to try it=Total fail.

Can't adapt to Metro, it is not user-friendly at all. Any newbie would be crushed under it.

So I am staying with Windows 7. It is working fine for me, I have modified it to my taste and will wait for Windows 9.

As for Mas OX, sorry tested it a long time ago and gave up on it. Apple, I will keep my money thank you very much...

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