Old 07-07-12, 12:43 PM   #1
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Default The Trouble With Education

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Old 07-07-12, 12:55 PM   #2
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So true. So sad too
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Old 07-07-12, 12:57 PM   #3
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So sad... but so true.
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Old 07-07-12, 01:21 PM   #4
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I don't think this is true. It is a bit of both really anyway and always has been.
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Old 07-07-12, 04:10 PM   #5
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The trouble with the public education system in the U.S. are the unions and unqualified teachers.

I found teachers that were functionally illiterate! Not just reading, but spelling and sentence structure. I found teachers that could not answer simple math problems. How can these people be expected to adequately teach our children? There should be standards set for teachers! Period!

The unions stopped being necessary when they stopped fighting for employee rights, and started fighting primarily to keep their own rights. The unions should not be more financially well off than the school districts they represent. But they are, by orders of magnitude(I actually had to explain that phrase to a teacher!) The unions, under the cloak of "helping the children", spend the vast majority of income to support the union itself, to pacs, to individual politicians, and bargaining for more victims from which to steal.

I used to be a union rep. Then I saw the massive amount of BS the unions, collectively(get it? collectively? as in collective bargaining.) I saw how the trend was to pay for nothing themselves. To charge the employer, company, county, state, and government either pay outright, via employee compensation, or by reimbursement. I saw how union dues would go up, not to represent employees as claimed, but to form a new pac. I saw how these unions would not care how or if they bankrupted their source(s). The last straw was to see the vast amount of 'back scratching' going on. The unions are no longer protectors, but socialists of the worse kind.

There is no reason for a teacher to remain on the payroll if found to have molested a child! But they are. There is no reason for a teacher found to have missed a majority of work days, not through illness, or family leave, but so he\she could spend time visiting friends. But they are. There is no reason a teacher found to have stolen great amounts of supplies to remain on the payroll. But they are. In all these cases there are teachers found guilty of each mentioned, and getting their job back. Not from having been found innocent, but because it would be too costly to fight the union. Now I ask you, HOW IS THIS POSSIBLY FOR THE CHILDREN'S BENEFIT?

Do I sound bitter? Damn right. I fought the school system and lost to a 'everyone must do the same', 'no one should perform any better than any other student', at no time and in no way should a student out perform a teacher!

rant over.....consider my 2 cents having been thrown in the ring.

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Old 07-07-12, 04:14 PM   #6
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In my case, it was always the first one, stuck-up teacher and all! And I'm 20, so that's pretty recent.
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Old 07-07-12, 04:19 PM   #7
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I find parents to be the biggest problem.

Parents need to instill morals and determination in their kids. Parents (and everybody) are too busy with their smartphones.
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Old 07-07-12, 04:42 PM   #8
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I'm sorry, did I seem a disinterested parent? That is definitely not what I was trying for.
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Old 07-07-12, 06:01 PM   #9
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I find parents to be the biggest problem.

Parents need to instill morals and determination in their kids. Parents (and everybody) are too busy with their smartphones.
Morals, yes, determination?
Not so easy when you send your child to the best private school in the area (the only one too) and even staff bully the child because of his hearing impairment, especially physical ed teachers who didn't get the fact that a bump on the head from a football could send him totally deaf for life, and his imbalance impaired his ability to run.

A stupid b!tch physical ed teacher told him "It hasn't happened yet" As in the permanent deafness we as parents were warned to strictly do our best to prevent but, she got a shock when I explained to her "You haven't died yet but hey, the day is young"!
I learned the only way to get the message through to the stupid idiots was to threaten violence. I told the principal if he wouldn't do something about the bullying I would, I explained how I'd teach my son to break the backs of those who pick on him. It's amazing how the principal reacted and decided maybe he should look into it.

All the muscle bound PE teachers and the ex pro footballer principal, all 10 times my size, were all shit scared of me.....


I pulled my son from school before he turned 15....
That or he would have committed suicide and he made that very clear!

I don't own a smartphone!
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Old 07-07-12, 07:14 PM   #10
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No, your points are spot on.

I was stating in general that, to me, parents are a problem. If parents would teach their children how to learn, how to express, how to act, how to THINK kids would be able to adjust to life as they go through it. Instead they learn math, music, hockey, and have their entire day, every day, organized... **** that kids need to think more. imagination is gone and curiousity now = danger. i.e. it's illegal for kids to toboggan without a helmet WTMF? If parents taught kids how to think they would know not to crash into that tree and put it on youtube.
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